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have AMD stopped competing

Years ago the myth was PC gaming was for rich kids and elitest's when in actual fact you could get a perfectly good gaming PC for console money. These days it's no longer a myth, I just can't justify paying £500 for mid range video cards not to mention the cost ram also putting me off.

Apparently this is all wrong and I have been informed by the forum experts its all OK in 2018!! Hurrah!!

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Would you like to know a fun fact - the current fastest AMD graphics card, the Radeon RX Vega 64, is not faster than Radeon R9 295X2, that was released 4 years ago now

Guess what, 2 x Vega 64 in Crossfire is way faster than what is equivalent to 2 R9 290's 4GB in crossfire on a 295X2. You are comparing a single GPU to a dual GPU configuration, and you're amazed the dual GPU configuration can be faster? The real issue though is that this dual GPU configuration falls flat when more than 4GB VRAM is required, or where crossfire is not or poorly supported.

My 295X2 is sitting on a shelf, because it couldn't cope driving my 3440x1440 screen well enough. Not enough VRAM, and frequently poor (if any) CF support. I'm much, much happier with the Vega 64.
 
Ahhhh the miners, keeping the peasants out of PC gaming one day at a time :D :p ;)

As long as I can play Fallout 4,Diablo 3,Overwatch,Planetside 2 and ARK for the immediate future I am good to go!! :p

I am probably more CPU limited as I can only hit 23 stories on my largest skyscraper in Fallout 4 and if I add any more NPCs,I think my CPU might crap itself,and Planetside 2 always could do with more CPU power. Some of the battles with 200+ players starts to get a tad dicey. They were CPU limited even with a GTX960 4GB!!
 
Guess what, 2 x Vega 64 in Crossfire is way faster than what is equivalent to 2 R9 290's 4GB in crossfire on a 295X2. You are comparing a single GPU to a dual GPU configuration, and you're amazed the dual GPU configuration can be faster? The real issue though is that this dual GPU configuration falls flat when more than 4GB VRAM is required, or where crossfire is not or poorly supported.

My 295X2 is sitting on a shelf, because it couldn't cope driving my 3440x1440 screen well enough. Not enough VRAM, and frequently poor (if any) CF support. I'm much, much happier with the Vega 64.

No, man :o
You just don't appreciate it. Of course, the R9 295X2 is the better one because it is still a single card. AMD hasn't created anything dual-GPU card afterwards.

Have you looked at the verdict written by the reviewers?

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_295_X2/30.html

AMD's Radeon R9 295X2 is an impressive piece of engineering. AMD managed the seemingly impossible: to cram two fully unlocked, fully clocked Hawaii GPUs onto a single graphics card. AMD's ace is the watercooling solution from Asetek, which, despite being relatively compact with just a 1x 120 mm radiator, can handle the heat both GPUs put out quite well.

In terms of performance, we see truly impressive 4K resolution numbers from that are essentially twice those of a single R9 290X card. With these results, the R9 295X2 is the fastest single card solution available today, and a great choice for this resolution and 5760x1080 EyeFinity. Thanks to the low temperatures provided by watercooling, the card does not throttle during normal games, which leaves its full potential at your fingertips at all times. Yet unlike a single GPU card based on two graphics processors, the R9 295X2 needs good drivers to show proper performance improvements in games, and AMD's updated driver support produced better CrossFire scaling across our test suite than ever before. The only game that does not scale properly is Diablo 3: Reaper of Souls, which marks a significant improvement over the last time we looked at CrossFire with the HD 7990, where six out of eighteen games did not scale as expected. It still shows that you may be left with single GPU (R9 290X) performance when a new title comes out for which CrossFire support is not available immediately. Also, at lower resolutions, 2560x1600 and below, scaling is slim in general, and I would not recommend the R9 295X2 or any other multi-GPU solution for those setups. A powerful single-GPU solution, like NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 780 Ti or Titan, will definitely do better at 2560x1600 while being more cost efficient.
 
Guess what, 2 x Vega 64 in Crossfire is way faster than what is equivalent to 2 R9 290's 4GB in crossfire on a 295X2. You are comparing a single GPU to a dual GPU configuration, and you're amazed the dual GPU configuration can be faster? The real issue though is that this dual GPU configuration falls flat when more than 4GB VRAM is required, or where crossfire is not or poorly supported.

My 295X2 is sitting on a shelf, because it couldn't cope driving my 3440x1440 screen well enough. Not enough VRAM, and frequently poor (if any) CF support. I'm much, much happier with the Vega 64.

A single gpu 4 years newer should be faster than a dual gpu no excuse look at GTX 590 vs 780 Ti which is 3 years between them? The Ti wins look at the 690 vs the 980 Ti again not even 3 years between them the Ti pulls ahead and then look at titan z heck an overclocked 980 Ti pulls ahead a 1080 easily beating it. Considering it's Amds best card is a bit poor. Compare the 295x to Nvidias best, the 1080 Ti and the Ti is easily ahead
 
Yes they did. It’s called Radeon Pro Duo.

Yeah, sorry, forgot it. I don't actually know what Radeon Pro Duo is. There is no review by TPU, and by the looks of its name, isn't it targeted at prosumers, rather than gamers? :confused:

Currently, AMD are in the same situation as they had previously been with the Radeon 2900XT release.
Even two Vega 64s in Crossfire will be slower than the Titan V: :eek: :eek:
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nvidia-titan-v-graphics-card-benchmarks.html


Have no idea how will AMD manage to close the gap.
But there are reports from some sources, that AMD has begun working on a BRAND NEW architecture next-gen to succeed the GCN.

AMD Working On A Brand New Major GPU Architecture To Succeed GCN by 2020-2021 https://wccftech.com/amd-new-major-gpu-architecture-to-succeed-gcn-by-2020-2021/
  • GCN 1st Generation: Southern Islands
  • GCN 2nd Generation: Sea Islands
  • GCN 3rd Generation: Volcanic Islands
  • GCN 4th Generation: Arctic Islands
  • GCN 5th Generation: Vega
  • GCN 6th Generation: Navi
 
AMD will always be there or there abouts as they make a little money from graphics. Imho, I think garbage like Mantle, in game features like TrueAudio and gaming evolved bought them some time and saw them through the last few years by keeping AMD users interested in their brand. Everything else is a bit meh. nVidia, with no real competition anymore dont have to do much. Intel got a scare with AMD back in the CPU game, for competition, I think they need to scare nVidia but I really just dont see anything happening to do that. Who knows with AMD though.
 
Would you like to know a fun fact - the current fastest AMD graphics card, the Radeon RX Vega 64, is not faster than Radeon R9 295X2, that was released 4 years ago now :eek: :eek:

According to your charts the 295X2 is 5.5% faster than the 980ti (in games it works with OFC) and the Vega 64 is 38% faster than the 980ti. So according to the charts you linked yes the Vega 64 is noticeably faster than the 295X2.
 
AMD will always be there or there abouts as they make a little money from graphics. Imho, I think garbage like Mantle, in game features like TrueAudio and gaming evolved bought them some time and saw them through the last few years by keeping AMD users interested in their brand. Everything else is a bit meh. nVidia, with no real competition anymore dont have to do much. Intel got a scare with AMD back in the CPU game, for competition, I think they need to scare nVidia but I really just dont see anything happening to do that. Who knows with AMD though.

Mantle is NOT garbage :mad:

According to your charts the 295X2 is 5.5% faster than the 980ti (in games it works with OFC) and the Vega 64 is 38% faster than the 980ti. So according to the charts you linked yes the Vega 64 is noticeably faster than the 295X2.

You are looking at the wrong charts. I provided two charts for 4K - in the first the R9 295X2 is 124%, while Fury X is 100% performance, and in the second Fury X is 79%, while Vega 64 is 100%.
 
You are looking at the wrong charts.
In fairness I was looking at charts you supplied, which showed the 295X2 to be slower than the Vega 64.


I provided two charts for 4K - in the first the R9 295X2 is 124%, while Fury X is 100% performance, and in the second Fury X is 79%, while Vega 64 is 100%.
And even in that example the 295X2 is still slower than the Vega 64.
 
Mantle might not have been garbage but like DX12 it was and is a misunderstanding of what the majority of developers are looking for and further evidence that developers simply won't spend time supporting things like that - whether that is programming for Mantle or supporting Tensor cores in next generation architectures if they need to be programmed for specifically. You might get the odd studio that produces a render/compute path in their game or engine but the majority won't.
 
The hype came and went. As usual for and AMD card, the hype train was pretty massive.

And also as usual for an AMD card, the hype train proved to be a total misadventure. Most had already disembarked by the time of release/review, but those still on board ended up extremely disappointed - yet another AMD hype train had spectacularly failed to take them anywhere close to where they wanted to be.

As with the previous few years, this AMD hype train was shunted in a siding and stripped down for scrap.

that "After the Uprising" and other AMD "we are the good guys" marketing #Poor Volta
 
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