Have I saved enough money...

Says the man it worked out for :p

This is what everyone says whose plans work out. Well, that and the people who didn't chase their dreams because as we all know, the things you imagine you could have done always work out in your head. Grass is always greener and all that.

Joking aside, if you can take some risks without it being catastrophic if it goes wrong it really can change your life. I've just been super lucky throughout my life to be in the position I am which is perhaps why I have a lot of empathy for those whos lives haven't turned out quite how they had hoped.

Fair point. :p

On the flip-side; my SIL quit her job and used all of her savings to buy into a franchise business. It didn’t work out, she ended up handing the franchise back, and had to start again from zero.

She would probably quite like the money back, but I genuinely don’t think she regrets the decision. She learned a lot about herself and now she’s much clearer about her strengths and weaknesses, and what she actually cares about.

If she hadn’t done it, she would still be stuck guessing.
 
Sure you can go and live in the wilderness, just like thus guy who i've been following for a few years. Started out in a place in Ireland and moved to Finland last year.

To summarise: Lives off the land becuase he says a regular job and life wasn't making him happy.

Been watching his channel since the beginning, was quite sad when he left Ireland! Living his dream.
 
Been watching his channel since the beginning, was quite sad when he left Ireland! Living his dream.

Yea i admire the balls he had to go and actually do it. I do wonder if he is from a wealthy background though which may have given him a good foundation to do this. I think he said he is from somewhere up north but you wouldn't know it from his accent, he is very well spoken.

I can also relate when he says he never really enjoyed most social situations like being in pub/clubs and that he thinks a lot of people do it because they feel they have too. I do like a beer now and then but it has to be in a nice pub with the right company ect.
 
Re-reading some of your replies @413x sounds like you're in need of change / adventure. Personally if I didn't have kids (that said I'm tempted to do this despite having kids) is to move abroad/somewhere else, and have an adventure and try something - even if it turns out to be the worse decision at least I will have scratched that itch. Sounds to me like there's something deep down making you unhappy/unsure.
Part of it is my partner getting a dog. I love the dog. But he was meant to be her responsibility. I'd help out of course and I like dogs. But the main reason to not have kids was to not be tied down.

So she gets a dog.. Her health gets worse. I take over more and more dog responsibility. I end up loving the dog. Now he's my best friend. He's a bind. And I don't know how to proceed.

I absolutely want to do this. To just up and go spend a year in NZ. But I don't think it's possible with dog. I won't abandon him. But I'm kind of annoyed that exactly what I didn't want to happen has happened. Gf said I was right. We shouldn't have got him. But I'm not the controlling type. I wouldn't have said "no you can't".


So I'm here, knowing I can't give up my dog. Trying to think what's the best case now.

I lean to contracting, with months off in van. But is this even possible with a dog? I dunno. It would be hard.

The big picture isn't about the money really. It's about that I'm trapped by my own fault.
 
Part of it is my partner getting a dog. I love the dog. But he was meant to be her responsibility. I'd help out of course and I like dogs. But the main reason to not have kids was to not be tied down.

So she gets a dog.. Her health gets worse. I take over more and more dog responsibility. I end up loving the dog. Now he's my best friend. He's a bind. And I don't know how to proceed.

I absolutely want to do this. To just up and go spend a year in NZ. But I don't think it's possible with dog. I won't abandon him. But I'm kind of annoyed that exactly what I didn't want to happen has happened. Gf said I was right. We shouldn't have got him. But I'm not the controlling type. I wouldn't have said "no you can't".


So I'm here, knowing I can't give up my dog. Trying to think what's the best case now.

I lean to contracting, with months off in van. But is this even possible with a dog? I dunno. It would be hard.

The big picture isn't about the money really. It's about that I'm trapped by my own fault.

 
it's a difficult one, I try to always balance things and still stay half sensible. No plans for kids either so money is better be spent doing things I enjoy as I have no interest in dying with a chunk in my bank.

I try to enjoy life, do things, buy things I want and feed my hobbies but at the same time I have a "minimum" amount to leave in the bank and something to invest. Once that is done, what ever, I'll go have fun.
 
Part of it is my partner getting a dog. I love the dog. But he was meant to be her responsibility. I'd help out of course and I like dogs. But the main reason to not have kids was to not be tied down.

So she gets a dog.. Her health gets worse. I take over more and more dog responsibility. I end up loving the dog. Now he's my best friend. He's a bind. And I don't know how to proceed.

I absolutely want to do this. To just up and go spend a year in NZ. But I don't think it's possible with dog. I won't abandon him. But I'm kind of annoyed that exactly what I didn't want to happen has happened. Gf said I was right. We shouldn't have got him. But I'm not the controlling type. I wouldn't have said "no you can't".


So I'm here, knowing I can't give up my dog. Trying to think what's the best case now.

I lean to contracting, with months off in van. But is this even possible with a dog? I dunno. It would be hard.

The big picture isn't about the money really. It's about that I'm trapped by my own fault.

Get a dog passport and take him with you :)
 
I'll preface this with.. Excluding pension.

Today my isa hit a threshold that I didn't think I'd reach for a while.
Its that number I've had in my head... When I hit this I can probably stop saving as much.
I'll put an absolute number on it as it is probably relevant. 50k
Its a years salary.
I'm a natural saver and find it difficult to even think about "stopping" or cutting back.

This is going to sound like nothing to some and a lot to others

This last 18 months has been a bit of a game changer for me. Seeing people pass away and having an illness my self that scared me to death. And that I've not made most of time.

I'm sat here thinking.. Do I need to save anymore? My parents are wealthy but miserable. I don't want to make same mistakes.


Do other people even ask themselves this? As I seem to encounter 2 sets of people. Those who always save.. Always wanting a bigger bank balance.
Vs those who absolutely don't or can't and live life with no safety net.

As I'm never having kids dying with money is an absolute waste. Which I suppose is a background motivator for many.

As spending goes.. I don't spend much really. Especially not on what the typical person does. I have no desire for a new car. Or a big house. Or many of the other typical things. They literally don't interest me anymore.

I max out my holiday allowance and go on nice ones I enjoy.. But I'd love more time. And that's where the spare goes.

I'm never gonna save 1mln. But also.. What will 100k get me 50k won't? Nothing important?

Obviously this money isn't "throw in your job and live the dream"..but more and more I getting tempted with "what's next" I think it's contracting.

Modest savings don't really allow you to retire early. You need mega money for that. And tbh, sitting around at home being old sounds like torture.

Not sure what reaction this thread is going to get if I'm honest. Ideally some views from people who have gone against the norm!
You can't take money to the other side when you're gone, live a little
 
As I'm never having kids dying with money is an absolute waste.

No nieces or nephews?

I'll spell it out. You need a purpose that transcends yourself, your individual experiences and material possessions.

I disagree. Sometimes it is sufficiently satisfying to simply be. Have the time to 'stand and stare' as the poem goes.

You need children. You don't want them (yet) but you sure as hell need them.

They don't need to be your own children. My niece and nephew count for me; Mr Chips had all the children he taught.

The return on savings is higher at the moment than my mortgage. So it makes no sense to pay off mortgage.

Are you taking tax into account? Remember that you pay tax on investment interest and that mortgage repayments come out of post-tax income. I'm mortgage-free at the moment.

Living off interest long term you absolutely need to take inflation into account,

Absolutely. In the 70s and 80s inflation was terrible.
 
I'm going to preface this by saying I don't have kids, and I love dogs (but currently don't have one). I'm 60.

I'd agree with a prior poster, that for many, having kids gives them an entirely different set of priorities. The important things in life shift. You gain a sense of responsibility that virtually nothing else can match. Your life really becomes focused on everything around your kids.And they are real time-sucker-uppers. But I guess for the vast majority, they see it as really well spent, valuable, enhancing time, and not a "bind". Having a dog is a responsibility, but in terms of tying you down, I don't think people generally see their kids in that way. There are of course exceptions and some people are just not cut out for the responsibility or just the commitment that kids brings.

But leaving the exceptions aside, from the all-time consuming first few years, to doing the school run, helping with homework, playing with them, being a taxi service, and helping them deal with their life issues, they become the purpose, the reason for living. And of course the reason why you work (to provide now, and hopefully in the future). And just as you are about to retire, if things go a certain way, you get grandchildren who you can spoil and spend time with, babysit, and help to be a role model for etc, and they become a bit of purpose in life, but you can leave them back at the end of the day and go on holidays etc.

Looking at it from my view, I feel that having no kids, it by definition makes you more selfish, simply because, you ultimately think about yourself first, you plan you finances around yourself, you plan your day and week around yourself, as you don't have anyone else whose whole life depends on you. Having kids, in my experience of looknig at others, takes that away.

I guess many are reading the above and thinking, that's a **** load of speak from someone who has never had kids...and that's right. But at 60, I'm looking into retirement in a couple of years, with a sense....what actually did I do ?...and what am I going to do. (I should be just ok moneywise). When others where dating I was all consumed by computers and programming, and never had thought for relationships. I could also *blame* an unwell mother that needed some care, but that might just be an excuse.

Thankfully I found someone later in life, but the time for kids for me had come and gone. It's a profound realisation that I pretty much got priorities wrong. I look at some friends I have now around the same age, and they have a whole new lease of life spending good time with their grandkids. Of course maybe part of all that is that I mighta been a crap parent, I'm not great at confrontation, so possibility they mighta run too free...I'll never know.

My experience is that most people struggle to fill time in a fulfilling way. a Hobby is fundamentally just a time-filler because you have little else to do. Spending days and hrs fine-tuning the performance of a PC that no one else uses, it does give a sense of achievement, but is it really the best use of time ?

So the purpose of the above was to provide this 60 years old's perspective and experience of not having kids, its a viewpoint that maybe a 20/30/40 year old might not consider. And how it effects your priorities in terms of finances, and perhaps some that have wanderlust are just trying to fill a time/life void that would not exist if there were kids. I should add that I accept that some have a genuinely rewarding job, and get a sense of life achievement from pursuing that, I can't say mines falls into that categore.

Although to be fair, what that has to do with whether £50K savings is enough...I have no idea !
 
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Gf said I was right. We shouldn't have got him. But I'm not the controlling type. I wouldn't have said "no you can't".

Thats not being controlling, thats just being sensible and understanding that a dog is almost as much of a commitment as kids in some ways. Has to be walked every day, probably twice. Vets bills, take on holiday with you or put into kennels. Needs feeding, watering etc every day so if you are away thats something to sort out.

Having a dog isn't something you do in a relationship unless both of you want it. You will always end up being on the hook for it in some capacity regardless of what the agreement was at the start.

I lean to contracting, with months off in van. But is this even possible with a dog? I dunno. It would be hard.

The big picture isn't about the money really. It's about that I'm trapped by my own fault.

You quite literally have to get a dog if you live in a van for any amount of time. I'm certain they just drop one off outside your van after you have been living in it for a month. Every bum with a van that travels in it has a dog.

You can't take money to the other side when you're gone, live a little

You can't but you also won't have a nice time if you haven't got any money in your retirement/old age. £50k would be eaten up very quickly.
 
OP I don't know your exact circumstances and what they are will affect the answer to this - do you ever look at your life and think how lucky you are compared to an awful lot of people? Just by skim reading this thread, you're on 50k a year, have a skill, a partner, a fantastic canine best friend, a hobby, I assume u are physically healthy, there has been some mention of mental issues and I'm not sure how accurate they are.

Aged 30 I had what many would perceive to be a great life - well paid job, a skill, girlfriends, wide circle of friends, great social life, healthy, etc, I lost it all.

I'm now 50, I have none of those things I have just listed apart from a skill (game development) which I've self taught over the past year. I am happier now, and just as importantly much happier now how I am as a person, than I have ever been. Everyday I wake up able bodied able to go about daily life things, able to enjoy my hobby, able to interact with family, I consider myself to be as lucky as any lottery winner (honestly).

I guess what I'm trying to get at is that maybe sometimes try to appreciate what we do have, even if by some people it's not much. Don't be like me and only appreciate things after losing everything. Not saying don't chase your dreams if that's what you definitely want.
 
No nieces or nephews?



I disagree. Sometimes it is sufficiently satisfying to simply be. Have the time to 'stand and stare' as the poem goes.



They don't need to be your own children. My niece and nephew count for me; Mr Chips had all the children he taught.



Are you taking tax into account? Remember that you pay tax on investment interest and that mortgage repayments come out of post-tax income. I'm mortgage-free at the moment.



Absolutely. In the 70s and 80s inflation was terrible.

New ones yes. But far away and I don't really like kids. By that I mean I don't get the same feelings to kids as others do. I never have. I'm in a few child free groups and this seems common. It's like my brain is wired differently.
I see animals as others see kids. And again. This seems common with CF people.

Yes. As I don't max out my isa the tax issue is irrelevant.
If my mortgage is 1.93 and my isa is 4.8 it's a slam dunk which is higher (most is in stocks)

My non S&S savings are not included in this 50k as they are for my dogs care if he needs it.
 
OP I don't know your exact circumstances and what they are will affect the answer to this - do you ever look at your life and think how lucky you are compared to an awful lot of people? Just by skim reading this thread, you're on 50k a year, have a skill, a partner, a fantastic canine best friend, a hobby, I assume u are physically healthy, there has been some mention of mental issues and I'm not sure how accurate they are.

Aged 30 I had what many would perceive to be a great life - well paid job, a skill, girlfriends, wide circle of friends, great social life, healthy, etc, I lost it all.

I'm now 50, I have none of those things I have just listed apart from a skill (game development) which I've self taught over the past year. I am happier now, and just as importantly much happier now how I am as a person, than I have ever been. Everyday I wake up able bodied able to go about daily life things, able to enjoy my hobby, able to interact with family, I consider myself to be as lucky as any lottery winner (honestly).

I guess what I'm trying to get at is that maybe sometimes try to appreciate what we do have, even if by some people it's not much. Don't be like me and only appreciate things after losing everything. Not saying don't chase your dreams if that's what you definitely want.

Yeah I know but it doesn't work like that. Money doesn't make you happy. Especially when mental health issues come in.
Many have much more but commit suicide.

On paper absolutely.. And I would never complain and say life is tough for me. But having a stupid brain that over thinks and worries and paralyses is horrible. I envy people who've found happiness, a path they enjoy etc. I don't envy rich people.
 
Are you taking tax into account? Remember that you pay tax on investment interest and that mortgage repayments come out of post-tax income. I'm mortgage-free at the moment.
Also remember if it's not an ISA, you have to pay tax on interest above your personal savings allowance. £1000 of interest for 20% tax payers, only £500 for 40% tax payers.
 
I'm going to preface this by saying I don't have kids, and I love dogs (but currently don't have one). I'm 60.

I'd agree with a prior poster, that for many, having kids gives them an entirely different set of priorities. The important things in life shift. You gain a sense of responsibility that virtually nothing else can match. Your life really becomes focused on everything around your kids.And they are real time-sucker-uppers. But I guess for the vast majority, they see it as really well spent, valuable, enhancing time, and not a "bind". Having a dog is a responsibility, but in terms of tying you down, I don't think people generally see their kids in that way. There are of course exceptions and some people are just not cut out for the responsibility or just the commitment that kids brings.

But leaving the exceptions aside, from the all-time consuming first few years, to doing the school run, helping with homework, playing with them, being a taxi service, and helping them deal with their life issues, they become the purpose, the reason for living. And of course the reason why you work (to provide now, and hopefully in the future). And just as you are about to retire, if things go a certain way, you get grandchildren who you can spoil and spend time with, babysit, and help to be a role model for etc, and they become a bit of purpose in life, but you can leave them back at the end of the day and go on holidays etc.

Looking at it from my view, I feel that having no kids, it by definition makes you more selfish, simply because, you ultimately think about yourself first, you plan you finances around yourself, you plan your day and week around yourself, as you don't have anyone else whose whole life depends on you. Having kids, in my experience of looknig at others, takes that away.

I guess many are reading the above and thinking, that's a **** load of speak from someone who has never had kids...and that's right. But at 60, I'm looking into retirement in a couple of years, with a sense....what actually did I do ?...and what am I going to do. (I should be just ok moneywise). When others where dating I was all consumed by computers and programming, and never had thought for relationships. I could also *blame* an unwell mother that needed some care, but that might just be an excuse.

Thankfully I found someone later in life, but the time for kids for me had come and gone. It's a profound realisation that I pretty much got priorities wrong. I look at some friends I have now around the same age, and they have a whole new lease of life spending good time with their grandkids. Of course maybe part of all that is that I mighta been a crap parent, I'm not great at confrontation, so possibility they mighta run too free...I'll never know.

My experience is that most people struggle to fill time in a fulfilling way. a Hobby is fundamentally just a time-filler because you have little else to do. Spending days and hrs fine-tuning the performance of a PC that no one else uses, it does give a sense of achievement, but is it really the best use of time ?

So the purpose of the above was to provide this 60 years old's perspective and experience of not having kids, its a viewpoint that maybe a 20/30/40 year old might not consider. And how it effects your priorities in terms of finances, and perhaps some that have wanderlust are just trying to fill a time/life void that would not exist if there were kids. I should add that I accept that some have a genuinely rewarding job, and get a sense of life achievement from pursuing that, I can't say mines falls into that categore.

Although to be fair, what that has to do with whether £50K savings is enough...I have no idea !
I've heard both sides. All. Sides.
Those with kids who regret it.
Those without who regret it.
Those with who think it's the best thing.
Those without who are glad of it.

To be honest it doesn't really matter as in current situation kids would add to all the problems with the hope it would fix things. But when you want "freedom" that's the very opposite of what kids would bring. As I'm quite "logical" with big decision stuff I've always thought that kids go against my desires. And actual make my Issues worse.

And the stakes for getting it wrong aren't just on me. They are on kid too. I see the stress I have from my dog and know it'd be worse with kids. My close friend used to say I'd make a good parent until she got to know me more.
 
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On a more verbose note.....:)

I'm in a similar position, though a bit older (44 today, yay me), no kids, no debts other than a modest mortgage. I've got enough in the bank to not work for a couple of years. I've already done the living abroad bit, spent the whole of my 30s overseas. Been back in the UK for 5 years now, and due to some work shenanigans (RTO = GTFO), we're deciding what to do next year.

Think we have settled on what we'll do. It is going to involve a move, and working less, at least for other people. I'll probably make a thread about it in the style of @Martynt74 's one, once the ball starts rolling in the new year.

Yeah same. And also inspired by martyns thread and basically doing it.

Its coming up to a sensible time to make a big decision on life. But damn it's hard to face vs going with the flow.
 
Adapting to the circumstances you're faced with doesn't mean something has gone wrong, it means you're doing well at life.

She wanted the dog but due to reasons out of your control you ended caring for it, so basically it is now your dog. The dog needs a top dog in the pack, and that's you.

You've got a few pennies put away, you should think about what you want out of life and find the best thing that fits your circumstances.

There will always be compromises and conflicts of interest, but if you follow what you want to do while trying to do the right thing when faced with import decisions, you'll end up happy and where you're supposed to be.

Wherever that is :)
 
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