**HAZRO HZ27WA & HZ27WC ARRIVING SOON INCLUDING NONE-GLASS VERSIONS!**

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And it's not supposed to be. I myself can tell a SLIGHT difference going on from 2. 1 is not supposed to be as black as the background. 0 is black, 1 is not. It may not bother some people, but in dark scenes with the dell next to it I can certainly tell the difference and it's aggravating.

That is simply not good enough for such a highly praised panel. Hell, the U23 is an e-IPS and has black levels far better than this monitor. Maybe it's a H-IPS thing, but I've never heard of it before and the screens are praised to high heaven. Are you telling me people don't notice it? It drives me nuts.

Also, TFTcentral had an uncalibrated version, which they then calibrated. I'm guessing that fixed it, hence the good black levels comment.
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You can't calibrate the WC version though. The WA can be.

I'll have a look tonight with the lights off again at the black level test. Although considering my old monitor showed no difference between 1-6 it's a huge improvement.

Also there's no 0 on the black levels test, it starts at 1. Although I assume 0 would be the background colour then.

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php

You also have to remember these are Budget IPS screens at 27",not professional ones. If you want a Pro Hazro one you'd best opt for the WB version or a dell.
 
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I can definitely tell the difference between 0 (background) and 1 on my glass WC both with and without the TFT Central ICC profile. The difference is very small, but it's there and as far as I understand, that's the way it should be.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
You can't calibrate the WC version though. The WA can be.

I'll have a look tonight with the lights off again at the black level test. Although considering my old monitor showed no difference between 1-6 it's a huge improvement.

Also there's no 0 on the black levels test, it starts at 1. Although I assume 0 would be the background colour then.

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php

You also have to remember these are Budget IPS screens at 27",not professional ones. If you want a Pro Hazro one you'd best opt for the WB version or a dell.
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Yes, 0 is the background colour. The test description indicates that 1 should be different from the background colour.

I wouldn't count on it as a 'budget' screen. It's the same screen used in the ACD, and it's a H-IPS. e-IPS are the budget screens. To afford it, Hazro cut a lot of the QC on the build quality.

anttonij said:
I can definitely tell the difference between 0 (background) and 1 on my glass WC both with and without the TFT Central ICC profile. The difference is very small, but it's there and as far as I understand, that's the way it should be.
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That is how it should be. Seems some are just plain better at rendering blacks than others. I'm not sure if it's to do with the screen itself, or if your settings are different on your end, but I'm going to assume not.

Not playing 'black level' lottery. :p
 
Well I did that black level test again last night with the lights off and I can see a difference between 1 and the background. It's extremely feint though.

Even got a friend to have a look and they say there's the tiniest difference between it as well. I take it that's how it's supposed to be?

Or is the difference supposed to be a little more pronounced?

I'd like someone here with the WA to check as well. They can calibrate their monitor and it would be a good comparison to see if that helps.

The white levels are spot on though, day or night I can make them all out.

I haven't played mine craft yet, although most of my friends do and one is interested in either this Hazro or the dell 23/24 inch.

I got the others with TN panels to do the black level test and some said 1-4 looked like the background.
One with a Dell 3007 said block 1 had a very small difference with the background.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
Well I did that black level test again last night with the lights off and I can see a difference between 1 and the background. It's extremely feint though.

Even got a friend to have a look and they say there's the tiniest difference between it as well. I take it that's how it's supposed to be?

Or is the difference supposed to be a little more pronounced?

I'd like someone here with the WA to check as well. They can calibrate their monitor and it would be a good comparison to see if that helps.

The white levels are spot on though, day or night I can make them all out.

I haven't played mine craft yet, although most of my friends do and one is interested in either this Hazro or the dell 23/24 inch.

I got the others with TN panels to do the black level test and some said 1-4 looked like the background.
One with a Dell 3007 said block 1 had a very small difference with the background.
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Are you able to tell the difference right away, or do you have to squint eyes/look closer to see it? On the U23, it's a feint difference, but I don't need to move my head at all to see it, that is how it should be.

At least on mine, I couldn't tell the difference even in a dark room. Sucks.

This is the first image I noticed it on:

http://media.minecraftforum.net/content/images/2011/07/new18mob.png

On the Hazro, for the far right enderman, I could not see where the top of his head ended and the sky began. This was visible on the U23.

The guy using the 3007 appears to have correct settings, then.
 
Ah I can just about see the difference in that guys head and the sky. Although His just seems to be a block? lol

Hmm, I'm just wondering if it's maybe the glossy screen that could make it harder to see.

Since the 3007 us matte and it's a pretty darn clear monitor.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
Ah I can just about see the difference in that guys head and the sky. Although His just seems to be a block? lol

Hmm, I'm just wondering if it's maybe the glossy screen that could make it harder to see.

Since the 3007 us matte and it's a pretty darn clear monitor.
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Yeah, minecraft is all blocks.

Perhaps, but even with the light off I could NOT make out the sky and the top of his head. :(
 
Hmm, that's rather disappointing really.

It seems for every 2 great Hazro WC's there's one with some problems.

Have you looked at the WB version at all? That's a matte monitor I think, it's 10-bit and uses CCFL like the Dells. Along with all the adjustable stand/swivvle rotate parts.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
Hmm, that's rather disappointing really.

It seems for every 2 great Hazro WC's there's one with some problems.

Have you looked at the WB version at all? That's a matte monitor I think, it's 10-bit and uses CCFL like the Dells. Along with all the adjustable stand/swivvle rotate parts.
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Depends on how the anti glare coating is. If it's like the U23's, no damn point. I wanted the glossy coating so I could rid myself of sparkly whites and such.

God dammit. On the bright side DPD picked up my monitor today and I'll get refunded soon... What to do after that. :(
 
I have a question regarding HZ27WC - is it possible to connect HDMI->Single Link DVI to it? I won't have access to dual-link DVI card for few weeks, but I would like to test/use the monitor beforehand with my laptop, which unforunately has just HDMI and VGA outputs (and supports 1920x1080 max resolution). Will connecting single DVI link to HZ27WC damage the monitor? Will it work properly? How will the lower resolution behave (cropped borders, scaling) ?
 
Well, the next stock comes in a couple of days, anyone ordering? If so, please tell us what they're like regarding BIOS, lagom black levels, ect.

I want to see if Hazro took this time to bother fixing any of the issues they know we complained about.
 
Fired up my computer yesterday and immediately noticed what looked like small clump of dead pixels in the bottom right of my HZ27WA "non-glass" version, clearly visible on light backgrounds from normal viewing distances. I was pretty gutted to see that after a couple of months use. After close inspection I became convinced it was not dead pixels but more likely dust underneath the H2 glare coating. So heart in mouth I wrapped my hand in a microcloth and gave it a few taps increasing force until the whole monitor shook. On the fifth one it dislodged I saw it drop below the screen. Really pleased about that and as an added bonus a slight bleed I had at the top of the screen has also disappeared.

I think we all know the quality of the case for this monitor, but I'm guessing it is going to be difficult to stop dust getting behind the H2 glare coating in the longer term.

Anyway just some feedback. The monitor is mostly great but only without the dust.
 
EasterEEL said:
Fired up my computer yesterday and immediately noticed what looked like small clump of dead pixels in the bottom right of my HZ27WA "non-glass" version, clearly visible on light backgrounds from normal viewing distances. I was pretty gutted to see that after a couple of months use. After close inspection I became convinced it was not dead pixels but more likely dust underneath the H2 glare coating. So heart in mouth I wrapped my hand in a microcloth and gave it a few taps increasing force until the whole monitor shook. On the fifth one it dislodged I saw it drop below the screen. Really pleased about that and as an added bonus a slight bleed I had at the top of the screen has also disappeared.

I think we all know the quality of the case for this monitor, but I'm guessing it is going to be difficult to stop dust getting behind the H2 glare coating in the longer term.

Anyway just some feedback. The monitor is mostly great but only without the dust.
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Ahaha. Wow. Had no idea dust could get behind the actual panel itself and be visible. That is insane.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
Well the non-glass version does have that ugly gap between the panel and case.

One of the reasons I also got the glass one, it's flush with the panel.
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On the other hand I brought the non glass version because of the problems owners had with dust trapped behind the glass with the first batch.

My old NEC 20WGX2Pro eventually got a few specs of dust behind the glass (it took four years. though).

I guess the Hazro is going to be more prone to it (first problem surfaced for me after two months) because of the gap you mention. I would be pretty unhappy with a clump of dust which I couldn't dislodge as it is worse than any dead pixel issue I have ever seen. I've decided to put a cover over the screen when not in use to protect it from my wifes hoovering!
 
@hazro

It seems you can no longer choose a shipping / billing adress outside of Europe anymore on the official Hazro website. Will this change? I am in the USA and was waiting to buy a HZ27WC once they came back in stock in August with the new universal power supply. Do I have to call to place an order now or am I just out of luck do and need to bring my business elseware? Thanks :)
 
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