Hazro series - HZ30Wi, HZ30WiQ, HZ27WA, HZ27WB & HZ27WC
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Hazro HZ27WB's anti-glare
How does the Hazro HZ27WB's anti-glare coating compare to that of other IPS screens, like the Dell U2711?
How does the Hazro HZ27WB's anti-glare coating compare to that of other IPS screens, like the Dell U2711?
afraid not. I'll ask Hazro to confirm for me what the weight of the unit is
well you still have control over the backlight intensity so it doesnt make it any different from most laptops, and many other screens which do not have an OSD menu or only have limited options available. You won't be able to manually change the RGB channels during the calibration, but then you cant do that on many preset modes on other screens anyway, usually only the "user" menu. So there's no difference there. If you have a colorimeter then you can still correct the gamma, white point and colour accuracy at a graphics card LUT level which is normal. it does give you less flexibility without the control of the RGB channels, but not a great amount compared with the HZ27WA model.
sure, it's approx 655mm W x 403mm H
Nice one, thanks.
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full review is now available onlineany questions, please ask away and I will try and answer as best i can
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hazro_hz27wa.htm
Thanks!
I've been looking out for this review.
Really nice to hear about the HZ27WC.
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Yeah, thanks for the review, very detailed
So, now I need to find out if gaming on a U2711 or Hazro 27" is acceptable / not annoying.
I know it's just my luck to pay big bucks for such a screen, get all excited and then be totally dissapointed by the gaming experience on it because I have input lag / ghosting.
There is like one video of some guy playing MAFIA 2 on the 2711 on youtube but that's it and has not convinced me
So... when are these 27" Hazro expected to be released?
So, now I need to find out if gaming on a U2711 or Hazro 27" is acceptable / not annoying.
I know it's just my luck to pay big bucks for such a screen, get all excited and then be totally dissapointed by the gaming experience on it because I have input lag / ghosting.
There is like one video of some guy playing MAFIA 2 on the 2711 on youtube but that's it and has not convinced me
So... when are these 27" Hazro expected to be released?
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I don’t have the Hazro screen so can’t comment but on my Dell U2711 Rev 04 the input lag seems non-existent. I play BFBC2 and I usually end up in the top 5 players. The other day I finished twice first in a hardcore server and I am only level 26 and nowhere as good as some of the top players. What I mean is that the monitor doesn’t seem to have any impact whatsoever in my results. Input lag is non-existant or at least I can’t “feel” it. Regarding ghosting I have never noticed but then again I didn’t notice it with my 2407WFP and that one was slightly worse in this regard.
I paid £523 for my Dell in December last year so for me the choice was clear. £400 for a no-frills 27” IPS computer screen is amazing value, the only thing slightly off-putting is the warranty. I would prefer to pay £450 and have the same level of warranty as with my Dell as for me its one of the selling points in a screen.
I paid £523 for my Dell in December last year so for me the choice was clear. £400 for a no-frills 27” IPS computer screen is amazing value, the only thing slightly off-putting is the warranty. I would prefer to pay £450 and have the same level of warranty as with my Dell as for me its one of the selling points in a screen.
I thought the warranty was being looked into? I is it still some large amount of pixels that need to fail before replacement?
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With Dell it is just the one pixel. I don't think they can match that. They also pick-up and deliver the other one on the same day.
We have revised our pixel defect thresholds but our general warranty policy remains as is and won't be changed in the foreseeable future. Our panel inspection criteria/standards are exceptional especially when compared to the 'assembly line' operations of rival OEMs - the launch of the HZ30Ws and the hundreds of satisfied customers is a testament to this.
can you please let us knwo what are the changes in pixel defect thresholds?
Great review, thanks Badass!
Hazro, still waiting to hear the results of your testing a displayport cable with a displayport-to-DVI convertor.
Plan to use it with an AMD 6950 or 6850 graphics card, & 15m Fisual displayport cable.
Most interested in the cut-down model, but need to know if will work with converter before buying.
Hazro, still waiting to hear the results of your testing a displayport cable with a displayport-to-DVI convertor.
Plan to use it with an AMD 6950 or 6850 graphics card, & 15m Fisual displayport cable.
Most interested in the cut-down model, but need to know if will work with converter before buying.
Does DL-DVI mean that there are two connectors at the ends or that it uses a slightly different lead (but only one connector at each end)?
If I used a DVI-HDMI converter, would there be any effect on the quality of the image?
If I used a DVI-HDMI converter, would there be any effect on the quality of the image?
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I had a 2407WFP and I instantly felt it's lag coming from a CRT. It was pretty noticable to me. My 2209WA i do not notice at all. Now, I will always look for sub 15ms. Anything bordering on 30ms is noticable, not just in games but just moving your mouse around in windows is very annoying.
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Yup, that's exactly what I mean and the bad thing is, it's different to a lot of people, one will notice, the other is like "huh, what latency?".
You can't just try out a Dell U2711 or Hazro 27" as they are not in normal stores as demo so I was thinking... We've got some stores here that have a Apple 27" Cinema Display as demo model and you can just surf on them and stuff... I guess that would be comparable to the U2711 and Hazro 27" as they have the "same" screen right, so maybe I can do some testing on them, but I'd need something similar to fast gaming hmmmm
... but I'm quite scared I will go home with one of them Apple CD's instead of this
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Did you have a 2407WFP or a 2407WFP-HC? The later had really bad ghosting and lag.
As I said it doesn’t bother me, neither does the AG coating to be honest and I had some good CRTs before. I can still be pretty good at games and seem to be able to play against players with 120 Hz monitors
The input lag on the U2711 is lower than on the 2407WFP anyway. I think the U2711 is 15 ms or thereabouts then again the 2407WFP was only around 20ms!! I have looked into the 2209WA input lag and that measures around 22ms which is worse than both the 2407WFP and the U2711.
As I said it doesn’t bother me, neither does the AG coating to be honest and I had some good CRTs before. I can still be pretty good at games and seem to be able to play against players with 120 Hz monitors
The input lag on the U2711 is lower than on the 2407WFP anyway. I think the U2711 is 15 ms or thereabouts then again the 2407WFP was only around 20ms!! I have looked into the 2209WA input lag and that measures around 22ms which is worse than both the 2407WFP and the U2711.
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Exactly because of this I have only been able to try out an Apple Cinema Display (ACD) and this is the only IPS LCD monitor I have ever seen. My many attempts to see an IPS with anti-glare has failed because no one has stock (all special order) so I only have forum opinions to go on.
Because of the 27" ACD, I'm quite keen on these glossy 27" Hazbro monitors. But I am still wondering how nice the other Hazbro monitors with anti-glare are.
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I've been trying to remember which one it was. Someone off here bought mine a few years back. *EDIT* checked my trust, it says he bought a 2407WFP from me, so it's most certainly the one with 25ms lag (the good one). The lag was without question noticable to anyone who had come straight from a CRT - you might not have cared about it day to day maybe (I did), but boy was it noticable side by side, no one could have said they couldn't see it, there was a BIG difference. It's the reason i got rid of it (was into counter-strike back then).
And by TFT central, a site I trust more than others:
2407: 23.7 ms
2407-HC: 34.3 ms
U2711: 28.1 ms (gaming mode)
2209WA: 9.0 ms
So adding my thoughts, if you think you might be sensitive to input lag, remember the days of CRT and know LCD's do not compete on input lag (don't confuse this with refresh rate woes), you need to aim for under 15ms, or prepare for disappointment.
Afaik, the Apple doesn't have scalers so input lag is rather low on that one, lower than the u2711 for sure. Anandtech says it's 12.73ms against a CRT: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3946/apple-27inch-led-cinema-display-review/7
I really do predict the non-scaler versions will be the only 27-inch LCD's someone sensitive to input lag will be able to live with, just comes down to how pliable/decent you can get the contrast and colour settings without a colorimeter, which i guess we'll find out next week with badass' review.
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Anandtech says that the input lag for the Dell U2711 is around 15ms. It is actually slower in gaming mode so I don't choose it!
The ghosting on that Apple display looks worse than on my Dell but that is just from that shot.
The ghosting on that Apple display looks worse than on my Dell but that is just from that shot.
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Anandtech says that the input lag for the Dell U2711 is around 15ms. It is actually slower in gaming mode so I don't choose it!
The ghosting on that Apple display looks worse than on my Dell but that is just from that shot.
I remember this review, they tested input lag against a HP LCD, not a CRT, so it's 15ms above the reference LCD. In other words, a waste of time. I haven't checked, but i remember in the comments section people possibly calling them out on that, and they got a CRT for future tests because of it. It's not a 15ms screen
TFT Central has correct, comparable results, but I do trust the Apple result on Anandtech enough the lump it in this thread because on that one they at least used a CRT as the reference.
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