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"flash it yourself" isn't a good solution.
***HEADS UP: MSI GTX 580 OC @ £399 Until Midday Monday!!***
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I'd do it if I got the BIOS from OcUK and not some forum.
exactly as you have to bloody do stress testing! there is nothing more annoying than putting in a new part loading up l4d2 and having it crash and kicked frim the game.to find 100% stability you need a good 6 hrs using all sorts of games as i found out i could get through any game on my old nvidia card OC but as son as i touch l4d2 or totalwar i get a bsod from stability.
its just annoying thats my whole point i want someone else to do aka msi at the factory like what should have been done in the first place.
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Where is the MSI guy that was supposed to be helping you guys with a bios
Probably busy on his own forum.
The issue simply lies with the seller (Ocuk) as thats who everyone here has bought it from. Any issue with the product has to go through Ocuk and not the manufacturer, anyone who tells you to see the manufacturer is misleading you. You normally have to notify Ocuk in writing (email/webnote will suffice) within 7 days. You normally get a response within 1 day, 2 days at the most. Please don't barrage Ocuk as this issue is to do with MSI and will probably deal on a case-by-case basis.
Anyone in a hurry and knows what they're doing should follow MSI BIOS update instructions to the letter (as I posted previously be careful). If you have updated the BIOS upon their instructions and you suspect the 580GTX isn't working as it should, get in touch with both Ocuk and MSI to see what your options are.
If you send it back and want it replaced with the OC version, your looking at a couple of weeks without a GPU and a little bit of hassle. Doing the BIOS update yourself will mean it should be fine by the time you've drank your cuppa.
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well flashed it with my wc/ed zotac 580 removed and disconnected the power conns. used rubber bands to help it float while i plugged in the msi card and flashed it fine.
water started to leak from one of the comression fittings on the zotac card:/ so in rush drained the pc. will need to get more distilled water on monday now
water started to leak from one of the comression fittings on the zotac card:/ so in rush drained the pc. will need to get more distilled water on monday now
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so far so good
That looks great. Have MSI sorted out the OC version coming with stock volts despite being flashed? If not then I would be slightly worried.
Now just run your fav 3d benchmark for 2 hours in a loop and it should be fine as long as it doesn't lock up. Don't use FurMark as that is too much for multiple runs and unrealistic. Try any Futuremark benches, one I can recommend for testing your GPU is 3dmark11 as previous versions were CPU limiting. Then run a game-based benchmark such as FarCry 2 in a loop until your happy with stability and temps, watch for any artefacts as that is a big clue your clocks/temps are causing issues. Hopefully everything is perfect and you've saved yourself a trip to the Post Office.
I have tried out the supplied MSI BIOS but it was unstable without voltage tweaking. To test it I ran 3DMark 2011 Demo, Crysis GPU benchmark, and Stalker COP benchmark. Normally one of these would show artefacts and then the entire machine would reboot.
On my machine I had to raise the voltage to 1.075 (default was 1.037) to make it stable. At this level though the temperature under heavy load (i.e. benchmarking) topped out at 86C. The difference in frame rate on the Crysis benchmark (1080p - no AA) was about 10FPS (i.e. about 45 FPS without OC and 55 with).
In the end I edited the original BIOS - changing its values to match the MSI supplied one but changed the voltage to 1.075 and re-flashed my card so I do not have to use Afterburner to keep changing the voltage. It seems to be stable with these changes.
Do people here think that the temperature is OK? Will it reduce the life of the card? At stock levels it was about 76C under load.
On my machine I had to raise the voltage to 1.075 (default was 1.037) to make it stable. At this level though the temperature under heavy load (i.e. benchmarking) topped out at 86C. The difference in frame rate on the Crysis benchmark (1080p - no AA) was about 10FPS (i.e. about 45 FPS without OC and 55 with).
In the end I edited the original BIOS - changing its values to match the MSI supplied one but changed the voltage to 1.075 and re-flashed my card so I do not have to use Afterburner to keep changing the voltage. It seems to be stable with these changes.
Do people here think that the temperature is OK? Will it reduce the life of the card? At stock levels it was about 76C under load.
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Been watching this thread with interest, as i was going to take the plunge on the msi 580 i really hope you guys get sorted soon!
Looks like Ocuk have took down the MSI 580GTX from the store.
86C under load is a little bit high but not if you were bench testing for hours on end.
Is there anything you can do to improve airflow in your case or keep your room cooler to aid lower GPU temps? If your case is hot (above 40C) then take off a couple PCI panels on the back of your case just below your GPU and angle a spare fan towards the gap but also point a bit towards the 580GTX. The excess heat from the 580GTX will be allowed to escape faster and should lower temps back down by at least 6C. Its a cheap fix but worked for a friend with a budget case and 470GTX. It's not ideal unless your case comes with a dedicated GPU cooler like the Silverstone TJ-09.
86C under load is a little bit high but not if you were bench testing for hours on end.
Is there anything you can do to improve airflow in your case or keep your room cooler to aid lower GPU temps? If your case is hot (above 40C) then take off a couple PCI panels on the back of your case just below your GPU and angle a spare fan towards the gap but also point a bit towards the 580GTX. The excess heat from the 580GTX will be allowed to escape faster and should lower temps back down by at least 6C. Its a cheap fix but worked for a friend with a budget case and 470GTX. It's not ideal unless your case comes with a dedicated GPU cooler like the Silverstone TJ-09.
Cheers for the info FMTopfan.
I am at work at the moment so I cannot check it but I seem to remember that the fan on the card was not operating at full speed when 86C was reached. I might try increasing the fan speed manually to see if this makes a difference.
I am at work at the moment so I cannot check it but I seem to remember that the fan on the card was not operating at full speed when 86C was reached. I might try increasing the fan speed manually to see if this makes a difference.
pemm1974: Nice! What software U use to edit the bios?
I used FermiBiosEditor 1.5.5.1. This version supports the 580. I think it was leaked from Nvidia originally. It allows you to change the settings that Afterburner can change (core, shader, memory, etc) - including raising the maximum voltage and fan speed (which defaults to 80%).
Note - I modded the original BIOS rather than the MSI OC one because then you do not get warnings about mismatching model numbers when flashing the card.
There is a tutorial here:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=336117
I used FermiBiosEditor 1.5.5.1. This version supports the 580. I think it was leaked from Nvidia originally. It allows you to change the settings that Afterburner can change (core, shader, memory, etc) - including raising the maximum voltage and fan speed (which defaults to 80%).
Note - I modded the original BIOS rather than the MSI OC one because then you do not get warnings about mismatching model numbers when flashing the card.
There is a tutorial here:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=336117
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have you got a copy of the bios you made so i can test ?
Soldato
As an outsider, I have to say this looks like a poor show (whether it's OcUK/MSI/The Pope/Whoever's fault). Feel a bit guilty that I posted this on HUKD at the time!
Isn't that defeating the whole point of buying a pre-overclocked card!?
If you provide an email address I can send you the bios. Obviously I take no responsibility for it - it works on my machine OK - but I have only tried it out for one day so far.
I would be good though for someone else to try it and see what results they see.
If you provide an email address I can send you the bios. Obviously I take no responsibility for it - this was the original bios downloaded from my 580 MSI card (which was supposed to be over clocked) - so it is using stock parameters.