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Has anyone moved from a hub based setup (ie Hive, Hue) to Home Assistant entirely? I know I can do so but I worry that if HA goes down that basics such as heating and lighting go down as well. If you’ve made such a move, what’s your backup plan if HA goes **** up?
What is the benefit other than consolidating configuration?

It seems to work seamlessly whether it is Hue Hub action, or a HA originated action.
 
Has anyone moved from a hub based setup (ie Hive, Hue) to Home Assistant entirely? I know I can do so but I worry that if HA goes down that basics such as heating and lighting go down as well. If you’ve made such a move, what’s your backup plan if HA goes **** up?
I suppose you're saying that you think the small embedded devices are more stable than a computer running an operating system. I've not had any issues with HA and stability at all, uptime is virtually 100% since March, aside from when I've needed to change the power socke. And er, that one time I turned off the wrong power supply.

What is the benefit other than consolidating configuration?

It seems to work seamlessly whether it is Hue Hub action, or a HA originated action.
Less things plugged in, less individual points of failure. I've never had HA play up once aside from when I've tried to click yes on 3-4 big updates at once. Our Google Home setup (2 Hue Bluetooth bulbs on a Mini) has gone wrong about every other month.
 
I suppose you're saying that you think the small embedded devices are more stable than a computer running an operating system. I've not had any issues with HA and stability at all, uptime is virtually 100% since March, aside from when I've needed to change the power socke. And er, that one time I turned off the wrong power supply.
The Hue Hub has never once gone wrong, and if it did, I'd unplug/plug it in again. If the HA SD card explodes, or the config grenades for whatever reason- it isn't a quick fix.

Less things plugged in, less individual points of failure. I've never had HA play up once aside from when I've tried to click yes on 3-4 big updates at once. Our Google Home setup (2 Hue Bluetooth bulbs on a Mini) has gone wrong about every other month.

As a man who once built an ESXi Whitebox that did media server, routing and NAS - I get the fewer plugs/consolidation, but I'm not buying the benefit. Maybe the Google Home thing is less robust than the Hue Hub individually.
 
I'd say so - for a start, Google stuff is all cloud. So far I've dodged any ZigBee hub gear and gone straight to HA (on a PC/SSD not a Pi) and it's been the most reliable bit... But I also have zero cloud in my home automation so far. The Google stuff is secondary and those bulbs are ZigBee too, which we have to fall back on when Google claims they're not visible.
 
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Yeah that sounds like it could be part of the reason we have differing requirements. The Hue Hub is like a dedicated HA just for the lights, and doesn't need internet to function. Likewise, my Hive gear.

It's like I've got high availability for heating and lighting with the always-on "partially" redundant hub :D
 
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I am confused slightly. I am getting 20-30 LQI on this motion sensor, but the occupancy just doesn't trigger. When I move it a little closer, works fine

Motion sensors are a bit hit and miss. Even the expensive ones like Hue. What you really need are these new presence sensors. They're supposed to be able to detect someone sat down in the room watching TV for example. They're a bit pricey at the moment though.

Tbh I use Hue Hub with HomeAssistant and find the flexibility of both a real treat.

Definitely this. More so for the WAF! My missus has a right whinge when something basic as the lights aren't working because HA has gone down. At least she can then also control the lights via the Hue app.

I've not looked, but I wonder if ZigBee dongles also have a device limit like the hue hub. With the various temp sensors, motion sensors, contact sensors, and switches I've got in my ZigBee network, I must be around 40 devices now.
 
Motion sensors are a bit hit and miss. Even the expensive ones like Hue. What you really need are these new presence sensors. They're supposed to be able to detect someone sat down in the room watching TV for example. They're a bit pricey at the moment though.



Definitely this. More so for the WAF! My missus has a right whinge when something basic as the lights aren't working because HA has gone down. At least she can then also control the lights via the Hue app.

I've not looked, but I wonder if ZigBee dongles also have a device limit like the hue hub. With the various temp sensors, motion sensors, contact sensors, and switches I've got in my ZigBee network, I must be around 40 devices now.
The sensor is definitely triggering as it flashes red when it senses, just nothing appears to get sent back to HA which must mean a range issue
 
Less things plugged in, less individual points of failure. I've never had HA play up once aside from when I've tried to click yes on 3-4 big updates at once. Our Google Home setup (2 Hue Bluetooth bulbs on a Mini) has gone wrong about every other month.

I would argue that shifting it onto HA is now a single point of failure. Having the Hue hub adds in redundancy as I can also control my lights if HA was destroyed.

I've been running HA for a good 4-5 years now and uptime is well over 99% so definitely no complaints about reliability. It's just the couple of times it has gone down, it's been a chore to get back running.
 
@andy_mk3 do you have a link for the blueprints?
I found one for the "smart button" (hue) but it appears to be setup for connection to a Hue hub instead of directly through z2m
Also, do your lights transition like hue bulbs (i.e. ramp up and down over a few seconds?) I set the transition up in z2m, which works fine within z2m but the moment I use an automation in HA, there's no transition again :/
 
Yeah I do use scenes quite a lot, there are also some straight service calls mixed in too. Although I may be wrong on the transition applying to everything, as a quick check shows I have the transition set in automations too lol.
 
Yeah I do use scenes quite a lot, there are also some straight service calls mixed in too. Although I may be wrong on the transition applying to everything, as a quick check shows I have the transition set in automations too lol.
OK, do you use MQTT scenes or the ones in HA?
HA ones are just ignoring the transition for me :/ and obviously calling a scene there's no transition option available
 
I use HA scenes, never touched the Z2M ones. But I know for sure the scenes follow the transition just fine.
Gave up with the HA scenes. managed to get Z2M ones working
Used this code:

service: mqtt.publish
data:
topic: zigbee2mqtt/Front door group/set
payload: "{\"scene_recall\": 2}"


The scene ID is "2" hence scene_recall 2. You can't recall it using the actual name of the scene which is "Front door Dimmed" which is annoying, but at least that's solved
It's also solved the range issue as I disconnected those 2 bulbs from hue, except now I have £30 of zigbee plugs arriving to cure that which I don't need anymore which is brilliant for my wallet :D
 
Anyone have Hue bulbs and smart switches want to share what they've done with the switch wiring?

Q1 I've made them always on, added a blanking plate and stuck one hue button where the switch was and another on the fridge ( open plan, remote switch ). Ideally, I'd prefer a switch that would let me turn off the bulbs that doesn't involve removing the switch cover and disconnecting so something flat that's press to connect, press again to disconnect, but I can live with always on.

Q2. Half the family don't like the hue button(s) Anyone come across a compatible smart switch that looks like a standard on/off rotate to adjust dimmer that works with Hue ( or HA as that's up and running in a very basic config)
 
Anyone have Hue bulbs and smart switches want to share what they've done with the switch wiring?

Q1 I've made them always on, added a blanking plate and stuck one hue button where the switch was and another on the fridge ( open plan, remote switch ). Ideally, I'd prefer a switch that would let me turn off the bulbs that doesn't involve removing the switch cover and disconnecting so something flat that's press to connect, press again to disconnect, but I can live with always on.

Q2. Half the family don't like the hue button(s) Anyone come across a compatible smart switch that looks like a standard on/off rotate to adjust dimmer that works with Hue ( or HA as that's up and running in a very basic config)
I’ve used Aqara zigbee switches for 2 gang switches that have a dumb and smart light.

With the Aqara you can decouple the physical relay from the switch, so technically you could have control over the physical switch via HA and use the physical button to trigger whichever smart action you’d like.
 
Has anyone moved from a hub based setup (ie Hive, Hue) to Home Assistant entirely? I know I can do so but I worry that if HA goes down that basics such as heating and lighting go down as well. If you’ve made such a move, what’s your backup plan if HA goes **** up?

I've kept the Hive thermostat on the Hive hub. I can still control the temperature through HA though. Reason being is exactly what you have said. I don't want to lose the ability to heat home if HA goes down.
 
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