Home Secretary (finally) allows CBD oil for Billy Caldwell.

Should be legalized and taxed with the funds dedicated to the NHS, not just thrown into the Treasury coffers.

Personally I have no desire to use / try it but the medicinal benefits have been clearly documented.

The only way to combat the drugs being sold underground is to make it available publicly.

I'm not saying that the drug trade would vanish overnight and drug related crime would go down drastically but it will help.
 
Not legalising it means the Governments for all intents and purposes supports the criminals who for the past 50 odd years they've failed in an abject fashion to destroy, they should give up before they continue to destroy the morale of police who find it worthless fighting this pointless war, before they spend more billions on worthless projects and anti-drug campaign and especially before the embarrasement continues.

Millions of people are in possession or supply of drugs everyday, the fact is that you can't lock them all up and you shouldn't even try.
 
Moses said:
Legalisation so it's as available as alcohol and tobacco/people being able to grow with gay abandon/etc? No. Legalisation with stronger regulation than that... yes. It can mean a massive range of things.

Then by medicinal are we talking medicines derived from it prescribed by doctors and heavily restricted? Or are we talking people claiming minor pain so they can easily buy weed to smoke for lols?
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There's no reason it can't be as regulated as alcohol, sold under licensed premises, with the ability to make some home brew if you wanted, but most people don't as it's much easier to buy it from the store.

No gay abandon needed.
 
Moses said:
Legalised also encompasses a wide range of possibilities. It’s important to check what people mean when they suggest it... my view on legalisation differs greatly from the ‘lol drugs are a plant, don’t regulate or tax that’ crowd, for example!
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Hague seems to mean in general... along lines the "lol drugs are a plant" crowd would be happy with

the Home Secretary on the other hand is interested in the medical uses and was apparently trying to rise the issue in cabinet with the MayBot

I can see why they don't want to open the floodgates and have a California situation where say everyone knows some private GP in London who will prescribe some cannabis for non specific "back ache" wink wink etc... but it has also gone a bit too far in this case in that the GP, prescribing something that clearly isn't being used to get high has found himself being told to stop by the home office - there will be plenty of other drugs with addictive properties or that are widely abused etc.. that he's authorised to dispense.
 
Moses said:
Depends what you want to achieve from regulation. I'd want to have it for over 21s (25s preferably, tbh) because of its effect on developing brains. I'd want it sold from well regulated licensed shops. I'd want to try and control the strains available to try and weed out (lolol) the most harmful strains, so would rather people were growing at home. Etc. There's also an argument around what forms it's available in - eg. smoking it is bloody stupid, really... there are far less harmful ways to consume it.

I'm happy to legalise most stuff... but I accept there's lots of potential harm so would rather regulate to reduce that as much as possible in a World where most stuff's legalised and relatively easily available.
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They could just enforce a maximum thc content of around 10% or so (most modern strains are probably around 20% or higher)
10% is still kind of enough to get high but not stupidly potent so people can't be banging on about zombies or reefer madness.

Government gets some extra taxes
a lot of people gain employment
some of the dead high streets will have a bunch of headshops popping up or thc shops
fast food places sure get a boost from the munchies and so will other places that sell chocolate and sweets :p


in switzerland only CBD is legal, you can buy it in a lot of people these days, stoners don't like it so much since you never know if your dealer is mixing cbd with real illegal weed.
thc content must be under 1% I believe it is maybe 0.5% ? so no chance to get high.
seen CBD anged from 20-30% I don't think theres an actual limit cos theres no point really.

if switzerland can enforce a thc limit on cbd, theres no reason the UK couldn't do the same with a higher limit thats high enough to get stoned.

beats being full legal in most peoples eyes and could be the "brexit windfall" lol that pays for the nhs boost.. without raising normal taxes
 
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Moses said:
Depends what you want to achieve from regulation
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Taking out an obviously persistent demand from the black market where spending money on prohibition isn't working and largely ignored to one regulated and controlled and bringing in an income just as alcohol and tobacco, yes.

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I'd want to have it for over 21s (25s preferably, tbh) because of its effect on developing brains. I'd want it sold from well regulated licensed shops. I'd want to try and control the strains available to try and weed out (lolol) the most harmful strains, so would rather people were growing at home. Etc. There's also an argument around what forms it's available in - eg. smoking it is bloody stupid, really... there are far less harmful ways to consume it.

I'm happy to legalise most stuff... but I accept there's lots of potential harm so would rather regulate to reduce that as much as possible in a World where most stuff's legalised and relatively easily available.
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No objections there, it's just debating the finer details :)
 
Moses said:
He wants it regulated and taxed, from what I've seen. So that doesn't seem like it'd be what the 'lol drugs are a plant' crowd would be happy with (given I said "‘lol drugs are a plant, don’t regulate or tax that’ crowd"). They'd still kick off about it being regulated by the government and only sold via ways which could be taxed.

CBA circumventing the Torygraph's paywall, so I've only seen stuff like, https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jun/19/william-hague-theresa-may-legalise-cannabis
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ah yeah, I just mean available in general rather than allowed to be prescribed for some more medical reasons - there are quite a few people out there who would be very happy if it were legalised even if taxed/regulated etc..
 
Moses said:
There are no good arguments against it be available as long as it’s taxed and regulated.
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I guess that partly depends on whether you allow for the obvious inconsistency that alcohol and tobacco are already legal, there is the argument in general that drugs ought to be controlled and that there are long term negative effects from drug use and there are also good arguments that relaxed regulation can have a beneficial effects (as per Portugal's example)

(but this is potentially going off topic a bit)
 
I think this is going way off topic (the thread was supposed to be about medical use not general legalisation) also getting wires crossed here - for example where have I said that what you suggested wasn't relaxed regulation? My reply was to the idea that there is no good argument against cannabis not being available which seems a bit silly tbh... it certainly isn't compatible to an anti gay marriage argument.
 
Well it's either;

A: Pointless war on drugs, huge criminal entities and strife, costs billions.
vs
B: Regulated marketplace, taxation income, criminals pushed out, makes billions.

As ever it won't matter, give or take 10-20 years the current youth will be a force at the ballot box and the coffin dodgers will be moving on from such irrelevant concerns, it will happen. Rationality will win.
 
nkata said:
We need another poll

Prohibition of cannabis and derivatives
Medicinal use only
Legalisation of all cannabis and derivatives for recreational use
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Legalise all drugs.

What Hague has said about cannabis is no less applicable to any other drug.

Prohibition creates more problems than it solves.

The law cannot stop or even significantly reduce the number of people taking drugs.

It's time the country put its resources in to mitigating the harmful effects of drugs.


Canada have just gone for full legalisation of cannabis. It's seems many of our political leaders are still in full denial mode.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44543286

StriderX said:
As ever it won't matter, give or take 10-20 years the current youth will be a force at the ballot box and the coffin dodgers will be moving on from such irrelevant concerns, it will happen. Rationality will win.
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Agreed 100%.
 
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Agree with the above. Drugs are a societal problem for those that have issues with them, not a criminal one. Legalise and regulate is the answer.
 
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