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Poll: How much do you think the AMD 5800X3D will cost at launch?

How much do you think the AMD 5800X3D will cost at launch?

  • $650 or higher

    Votes: 15 11.5%

  • $600 to $649

    Votes: 9 6.9%

  • $550 to $599

    Votes: 20 15.4%

  • $500 to $549

    Votes: 31 23.8%

  • $450 to $499

    Votes: 26 20.0%

  • $400 to $449

    Votes: 18 13.8%

  • $350 to $399

    Votes: 9 6.9%

  • $349 or lower

    Votes: 2 1.5%
  • Total voters
    130
  • Poll closed .
Zen 4 will have leading performance so ofcourse it will cost more, it will be like Zen 2 and Intel era, if you want best gaming performance, and newest standards like ddr5 you will choose Zen 4, if you want budget option with more cores and better multithread performance you will choose RPL. We have yet to see if Zen 4 will increase cores, they don't need as much as Intel cuz each Zen 4 core is many times better than each e cores, and also lower latency between each of them.
 
Gondar said:
Zen 4 will have leading performance so ofcourse it will cost more, it will be like Zen 2 and Intel era, if you want best gaming performance
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Eh? That's not accurate. Pretty sure the 8700k was still better than the 3000 chips in games, it also came out near 2 years earlier. Though AMD did catch up, they were still behind just not as much.
 
Perfect_Chaos said:
Eh? That's not accurate. Pretty sure the 8700k was still better than the 3000 chips in games, it also came out near 2 years earlier. Though AMD did catch up, they were still behind just not as much.
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Zen 4 will be like Intel in that era, best gaming performance, while RPL will offer more cores and better MT, like Zen 2 in that era.
 
Gondar said:
Zen 4 will be like Intel in that era, best gaming performance, while RPL will offer more cores and better MT, like Zen 2 in that era.
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Right, misunderstood what you first said.

But i would say it's hard to predict who will be on top there, AM5 being a new platform I'd be surprised if AMD didn't have an advantage.
 
Gondar said:
Zen 4 will be like Intel in that era, best gaming performance, while RPL will offer more cores and better MT, like Zen 2 in that era.
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Don't forget that Zen 2 heavily outsold Intel during that time because it was significantly cheaper even though it was 10-15% down on gaming performance and raptorlake should have that cost advantage with 600 series boards receiving price cuts when the 700 series launches and DDR4 as an option.
 
Joxeon said:
Don't forget that Zen 2 heavily outsold Intel during that time because it was significantly cheaper even though it was 10-15% down on gaming performance and raptorlake should have that cost advantage with 600 series boards receiving price cuts when the 700 series launches and DDR4 as an option.
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Why would i care how much Zen 2 outsolds Intel? I'm not buying product based on sales result, i'm buying product that will give me best performance, and high-end product usually have lowest sales number, it is expected that best product have highest price . But for those who buys budget option or best price/performance ratio there will be Intel RPL.
 
Gondar said:
Why would i care how much Zen 2 outsolds Intel? I'm not buying product based on sales result, i'm buying product that will give me best performance, and high-end product usually have lowest sales number, it is expected that best product have highest price . But for those who buys budget option or best price/performance ratio there will be Intel RPL.
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So you were an Intel user before Zen 3 then?
 
I don't see why Zen 4 won't go beyond 16 cores. With the move down to 5nm, higher power budget and a more efficient IO die not to mention that intel are increasing core count, why not?

I see Zen 4 beating intel in single and multi core, chiplets exist for a reason, and Threadripper will be so behind on single core speed that Ryzen 7000 can go beyond 3960X performance if AMD choose to do so.
 
tommoT.Striker said:
I don't see why Zen 4 won't go beyond 16 cores. With the move down to 5nm, higher power budget and a more efficient IO die not to mention that intel are increasing core count, why not?

I see Zen 4 beating intel in single and multi core, chiplets exist for a reason, and Threadripper will be so behind on single core speed that Ryzen 7000 can go beyond 3960X performance if AMD choose to do so.
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Did AMD confirmed core counts? But i'm curious too, they can increase cores easily because of chiplet design and much better nodes, EPYC got cores increase from 64 to 96 so it is logical to do same on desktop versions.
 
Zen 4 chiplet is still 8 cores. The only reason Genoa is going to 96 cores is because there are physically more chiplets in the package, which the shrink to 5nm (and 6nm IO die) will allow. That doesn't mean Ryzen 7000 will scale past 16 cores, it doesn't need to. 16c/32t is still more than enough for mainstream desktop at this point in time, and Raptor Lake is only adding E-cores. Both top-end CPUs will have 32 threads.

Now, if the 13900K with its 8P+16E configuration outperforms the 16 core Ryzen 7000 by a big margin, there is potentially the package space, socket power delivery and TDP to add a third chiplet in there for 18c/36t and 24c/48t configs. The latter is eating into Threadripper territory, so I doubt AMD will go that far, but the former might be a possibility.

3nm Zen 5 chiplets is where I think we'll see core count increases.
 
LePhuronn said:
Zen 4 chiplet is still 8 cores. The only reason Genoa is going to 96 cores is because there are physically more chiplets in the package, which the shrink to 5nm (and 6nm IO die) will allow. That doesn't mean Ryzen 7000 will scale past 16 cores, it doesn't need to. 16c/32t is still more than enough for mainstream desktop at this point in time, and Raptor Lake is only adding E-cores. Both top-end CPUs will have 32 threads.

Now, if the 13900K with its 8P+16E configuration outperforms the 16 core Ryzen 7000 by a big margin, there is potentially the package space, socket power delivery and TDP to add a third chiplet in there for 18c/36t and 24c/48t configs. The latter is eating into Threadripper territory, so I doubt AMD will go that far, but the former might be a possibility.

3nm Zen 5 chiplets is where I think we'll see core count increases.
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AM5 has a higher pin count right?

So if Zen4 chiplet is still limited to 8 cores maybe they can fit more than just two chiplets on the die?

AMD must have made the socket bigger for a reason, maybe that was to increase zen from two chiplets to 3/4.


Not that I think they need too, I know Intel is increasing cores but that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do - at this point in time increasing core count does absolutely nothing for videogame performance so AMD does not need to increase core count to claim the gaming crown and they'd be wise to remember that
 
There's more pins for PCIe 5, DDR5 and power. Since the IO die links the chiplets together I don't think you need more pins for more chiplets, but I have no clue what I'm talking about there :P

Bigger socket does also mean bigger CPU packages, so with the shrink to 5nm for chiplets and 6nm for the IO die and a bigger canvas to bolt things to, I'd say there's potential for a third chiplet if it's ever needed. But I don't see AMD taking core counts up for Ryzen 7000, there's no point and still has core parity with Raptor Lake if things descend into willy-waving over numbers.
 
I though AM5 is AM4 cooler compatible.
Ergo the same size.
LGA-1718 just has the pins closer together.
LGA should be another excuse to increase motherboard prices :(
I'd have voted "too much" as well if the option had been there.
 
Grim5 said:
AM5 has a higher pin count right?

So if Zen4 chiplet is still limited to 8 cores maybe they can fit more than just two chiplets on the die?

AMD must have made the socket bigger for a reason, maybe that was to increase zen from two chiplets to 3/4.


Not that I think they need too, I know Intel is increasing cores but that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do - at this point in time increasing core count does absolutely nothing for videogame performance so AMD does not need to increase core count to claim the gaming crown and they'd be wise to remember that
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From what I've heard Zen4 will stay with 16 cores while Zen5 will increase core counts and use a big not so little hybrid design with fast Zen5 cores and low powered Zen4 cores.
 
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