How will Nvidia react to the AMD 6000 series launch?

[pieman109]

It doesn't do this, it doesn't do that, it only does this if theres an R in the month. The cards haven't even been released yet and so most of the features are a total unknown quantity, and people here are writing off a card that hasn't even appeared yet. I know folks love to speculate and discuss, but we really need to see what comes out of the reviews/testing first, THEN make decisions what card you're gonna buy and more to the point, advise other people to buy.

 

[Gregster]

AMD drivers no thanks mate get a 3090 Greg DLSS and raytracing will be big in the future if the new consoles have it developers will put it in games as it will no longer be niche.

I have run both and built systems and for the most, not had issues with either. Performance and price is what makes my choices.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Seriously, give it a rest. It's so tired now it's not even funny.

Yeah come on, enoughs enough, Nvidias drivers are also broken.

 

[otester]

Quake 2 RTX won't run on AMD cards in its current iteration

Depends whether AMD implemented the VK_NV_ray_tracing extension in the drivers for the 6000 series, if they haven't that also means other games with Vulkan RT will be off limits.

 

[fs123]

AMD drivers no thanks mate get a 3090 Greg DLSS and raytracing will be big in the future if the new consoles have it developers will put it in games as it will no longer be niche.

I've have not had any issues with AMD drivers for the last 8 years. Since you obviously don't own an AMD card we can safely say your comments mean squat. As for DLSS and RT, AMD is working on a DLSS competitor which promises to have much better compatibility and also it's open source so even the Nvidia fanboys can use it. The consoles have AMD hardware in them so it's likely that AMD gpu's will be able to run newer games quite well with RT enabled.

 

[D1craig]

I cwnt evwr remember nvidia lowering prices. More likely they will just reiterate how they invented ray tracing and how its better on there gpus. And you get tried and tested halo products with them etc etc.

They wont be reducing prices by anything significant, maybe 50 quid or something and still its down to the seller to give you that discount. 9/10 they don't.

 

[Greebo]

Apparently rage mode = slight power limit increase, so the 1-2% makes sense. I think it's very clear these cards will have a LOT of OC headroom. The AIB showdown is going to be so much fun!

haven’t asus already got engineering cards running at a steady 2350mhz leaked? The final cards could be 2400+. Get a waterblock and some proper overclocking and we could be running 6900xt in games at 2500mhz.

if it scales better overclocked than the 3090 does then the 6900xt could beat the 3090 in everything (except in Rt or when DLSS is used)

 

[Gerard]

AMD drivers no thanks mate

And here we go with the standard rhetoric.

 

[Rroff]

Depends whether AMD implemented the VK_NV_ray_tracing extension in the drivers for the 6000 series, if they haven't that also means other games with Vulkan RT will be off limits.

I find it unlikely but yeah either someone/AMD will have to create a wrapper/emulator for the NV extensions or the developer will have to update their code to support AMD's and/or a vendor agnostic path when available in Vulkan.

 

[Blackjack Davy]

I cwnt evwr remember nvidia lowering prices. More likely they will just reiterate how they invented ray tracing and how its better on there gpus. And you get tried and tested halo products with them etc etc.

They wont be reducing prices by anything significant, maybe 50 quid or something and still its down to the seller to give you that discount. 9/10 they don't.

Even with the 2080ti's and the stick they got over pricing and with the fact they weren't shifting in the numbers they would probably like they didn't reduce it a jot, they'll release a Super/TI variant of the existing cards instead more than likely, its some kind of pride thing or call it arrogance. Either way the existing cards won't reduce in price.

 

[Blackjack Davy]

Apparently rage mode = slight power limit increase, so the 1-2% makes sense. I think it's very clear these cards will have a LOT of OC headroom. The AIB showdown is going to be so much fun!

Thats the interesting thing isn't it the OC headroom on the 3080's is almost non existent so there isn't much incentive to go AIB, the 6800XT AIB's on the other hand could be really interesting at a similar price point to the nvidia's variants they could easily surge ahead. More power consumption for sure but nvidia's efforts are there already.

 

[mattyg]

I have to be honest and whilst I like the 3090, my money will be heading for the 6900, as so far* it looks like the best card for me with my budget. NVidia do fantastic cards but the price thing is getting to me now.

*I will need to see independent reviews of course and RT is a thing I like a lot but if the 6900 can hold its own, I am in.

The saving at current prices could buy a top end CPU.
Mental
Nvidia are going to have to slash RRP if AMD get close

 

[mattyg]

double post

 

[Kaapstad]

I cwnt evwr remember nvidia lowering prices. More likely they will just reiterate how they invented ray tracing and how its better on there gpus. And you get tried and tested halo products with them etc etc.

They wont be reducing prices by anything significant, maybe 50 quid or something and still its down to the seller to give you that discount. 9/10 they don't.

They have lowered prices many times but they do it subtly by replacing a slower card with a faster one at the same price point.

2070 and 2080 Super cards replacing 2070 and 2080 for example.

Expect a full fat GA102 card in the near future if the 6900XT is very competitive.

 

[Kaapstad]

haven’t asus already got engineering cards running at a steady 2350mhz leaked? The final cards could be 2400+. Get a waterblock and some proper overclocking and we could be running 6900xt in games at 2500mhz.

if it scales better overclocked than the 3090 does then the 6900xt could beat the 3090 in everything (except in Rt or when DLSS is used)

I think there is another 10% performance to come from the 3090 once NVidia get the drivers sorted out for the card.

ATM the gap between the 3080 and 3090 is too close for the hardware used and could be down to the drivers.

 

[233]

Think people are missing the fact that everything that comes from the consoles to PC is already going to be optimised for AMD


Currently sitting with a 3600 and a 5700xt and I was going to sit this round of cpus out and maybe go for a 3080 or a 6800xt

now it’s 6800 AND a new 5000 cpu given the announced linking of cpu and gpus

An all AMD build is now a very appealing option for anyone who is predominantly gaming

 

[Rroff]

Think people are missing the fact that everything that comes from the consoles to PC is already going to be optimised for AMD


Currently sitting with a 3600 and a 5700xt and I was going to sit this round of cpus out and maybe go for a 3080 or a 6800xt

now it’s 6800 AND a new 5000 cpu given the announced linking of cpu and gpus

An all AMD build is now a very appealing option for anyone who is predominantly gaming

Fact no - it never works like that because the architectures, even now, are too different especially when it comes to how RAM is handled. You either end up with poor "ports" that run poorly on anything or the developer takes the time to optimise for the PC and it runs reasonably or well on most hardware. That isn't going to change any time soon.

 

[Grim5]

Nvidia will likely just hire a few hundred more engineers to develop DLSS profiles for every game, rendering AMD's hardware advantage irrelevant.

Fact no - it never works like that because the architectures, even now, are too different especially when it comes to how RAM is handled. You either end up with poor "ports" that run poorly on anything or the developer takes the time to optimise for the PC and it runs reasonably or well on most hardware. That isn't going to change any time soon.

precisely - all console games have been "magically optimized" for amd for a long time because consoles have used amd cpu and gpu since 2013 and yet we still have tons and tons of terrible ports

and all that has counted for very little because while the cpu and gpu in isolation is similiar to what's on PC, the reality is that the consoles architecture and the way data is transferred and the way that hardware interacts with the operating system is all very different to your desktop PC

 

[scubes]

Well done AMD can’t believe they have better performance slightly than the 3080. was expecting it to be quicker than a 2080ti just .

 

[smogsy]

Think people are missing the fact that everything that comes from the consoles to PC is already going to be optimised for AMD


Currently sitting with a 3600 and a 5700xt and I was going to sit this round of cpus out and maybe go for a 3080 or a 6800xt

now it’s 6800 AND a new 5000 cpu given the announced linking of cpu and gpus

An all AMD build is now a very appealing option for anyone who is predominantly gaming

this has been said time & time again, even back in 2000s when nvidia got dev to aim for their GPU.

the opposite company will just optimise it themselves via drivers

nvidia/AMD are not vastly different enough to make a big enough difference.

to add to this nvidia own 70% of market on pc, so if its a pc only game then it will be nvidia optimised.

to see any real effect your looking 2-3 years out at least.

also to add real developers would code in such a way it would worth great on both types.
hence
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