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How will Nvidia react to the AMD 6000 series launch?

melmac said:
No doubt AMD's new cards look great on the Marketing slides but so did Nvidia's. Shouldn't we wait until there are reviews of these cards to see what the whole truth is first?
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Definately.

I am happy with my 1080Ti as it's performance for my needs, 1440p/60Hz, is excellent. What I want now is that next gen hardware providing at least 1440/60 RT. As such I'm dissapointed that AMD didn't provide some RT performance details since their approach relys on a hybrid hardware design. On paper it looks as though it could be very effective, but in practice? Where is AMD's RT benchmarks and more importantly some form of full scene path tracing demo?

I'm a little deflated as it looks like AMD for legacy and Nvidia for next gen graphics.
 
While I agree that we shouldn't be decreeing the downfall of nVidia until we see "real world" benchmarks, what AMD does bring is long overdue competition at the high end, which nvidia hasn't had to deal with for a long while. When they launched Turing, there was no competition, so we were given lacklustre improvements and basic RT performance at a massive cost.

I have no doubt that nVidia will counter the launch by arguing their strengths (which is going to be Ray tracing performance). However, we all know they have been expounding the benefits of raytracing since the launch of Turing, yet we all know that the actual proliferation of ray traced games has been poor, to say the least, so I don't honestly know how much effect it will have.

As others have said, the lack of supply is their biggest issue at the moment. People want what they paid for straight away, not having to wait 4+ months for it to turn up, which is what many 3080 buyers (myself included) are currently facing. If AMD offers the same performance, for a similar price, with the only negatives only really bothering a small sub-section of buyers, then it could well be a great seller for them.

I am just happy they (AMD) are now competing again. If intel (ever) get their act together in the GFX market and also start to compete in this segment, it can only be good for us consumers in the long run.
 
They cant drop price on the 3080 or 3090 because there are so many pre-orders. Both retailers and consumers would be beyond annoyed. The 6900XT offers a solid argument for anyone considering a 3090, its going to be near enough £500 cheaper for a couple of percent performance loss at most. The 6800XT looks pretty favourable against the 3080 based on vram, but the lack of DLSS and only being first gen raytracing are definite drawbacks. Depends what refresh rate you need to achieve at your chosen resolution I guess.

I think AMD have missed a trick at undercutting the 3070 though, they could have offered an 8gb card at $80 less and cleaned up there. From my point of view the only reason I would get a 6800 was if there wasn't enough stock of the 6800XT, the price gap is too small between them to make the lower card an attractive purchase. When youre in for a $579 rrp you may as well go $649 imo.
 
Nothing much they can do besides price cuts, they can't even get 80/90 out to stores in any meaningful supply level never mind another higher clocked variation that will likely have people asking wtf, then holding out for that one.
 
Tricky spot for Nvidia. Hard to slot in new cards too, at least in performance terms. Price cuts won't be popular with the current six owners :p Seriously though it's going to test their, frankly brilliant, marketing team.
 
Raelgun said:
Why are people making this sound like a downplay on AMDs part? why wouldn't you use your own ecosystem to gain more performance? Nvidia does it with DLSS
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Because it's ok for Nvidia to charge extra and make people adopt tech but not AMD apparently, and there is just so much misinformation being spouted atm it's comical, Nvidia boyz don't like being mummy for a change.
 
MrPils said:
They cant drop price on the 3080 or 3090 because there are so many pre-orders. Both retailers and consumers would be beyond annoyed. The 6900XT offers a solid argument for anyone considering a 3090, its going to be near enough £500 cheaper for a couple of percent performance loss at most. The 6800XT looks pretty favourable against the 3080 based on vram, but the lack of DLSS and only being first gen raytracing are definite drawbacks. Depends what refresh rate you need to achieve at your chosen resolution I guess.

I think AMD have missed a trick at undercutting the 3070 though, they could have offered an 8gb card at $80 less and cleaned up there. From my point of view the only reason I would get a 6800 was if there wasn't enough stock of the 6800XT, the price gap is too small between them to make the lower card an attractive purchase. When youre in for a $579 rrp you may as well go $649 imo.
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AMD would never offer 8GB card cos they know 8GB card has no longevity and dont want to rip off their customers like NVIDIA..

;)
 
Wrinkly said:
Definately.

I am happy with my 1080Ti as it's performance for my needs, 1440p/60Hz, is excellent. What I want now is that next gen hardware providing at least 1440/60 RT. As such I'm dissapointed that AMD didn't provide some RT performance details since their approach relys on a hybrid hardware design. On paper it looks as though it could be very effective, but in practice? Where is AMD's RT benchmarks and more importantly some form of full scene path tracing demo?

I'm a little deflated as it looks like AMD for legacy and Nvidia for next gen graphics.
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When you see the 3090 struggling to maintain 30 FPS at 4k in watch dogs legion with RT you realise it's irrelevant and we're just not there yet.
 
Rroff said:
AMD had to use both Rage mode and SAM to match/beat the 3090 so I doubt nVidia will worry much there and the 3090 has more VRAM.

The 3080 with less VRAM and the 3070 which looks to get beat on both performance and VRAM and have no pricing advantage are going to be the tougher spots for nVidia.

Although I'm not sure about Infinity Cache depending on how much AMD is depending on it for performance as it is more a technology that belongs in console space and might not hold up in the longer term on desktop.
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With a card that costs 66% of the 3090.
 
Raelgun said:
The more important aspect actually is that AMD did this using less power consumed, what the 3090 uses nearly 400 watts?
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I'd wait for reviews/tests with Rage mode and SAM in effect it probably is fairly similar power/performance in actual use to Ampere.
 
Sc00p007 said:
Probably nothing, but why do the slides with the fps comparisons say "up to", why not average? Reminds me of nvidia marketing tricks.
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You can't trust either sides slides, it's all spin and presenting best case scenarios, you have to wait for bechies and reviews. That's not to say all the info is nonsense, but they stretch the truth as far as it will go and sometimes beyond.
 
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