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Haggisman said:
How on earth did you get that message from what I posted? :confused:
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Seemed like a logical inference from my suggestion it was unsafe, not that I care to blame the farmer for his vigilantism with the police being hopelessly under-resourced but it seems unwise to turn up to a police station like that not expecting a negative outcome for himself.
 
StriderX said:
Seemed like a logical inference from my suggestion it was unsafe, not that I care to blame the farmer for his vigilantism with the police being hopelessly under-resourced but it seems unwise to turn up to a police station like that not expecting a negative outcome for himself.
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You'd hope common sense would prevail, but this is modern Britain we're talking about, so I guess you're right :(
 
I recall this happening at least once before and not that recently.

Someone tied up an employee he accused of stealing and took him to a police station.

Stealing might have happened but a citizens arrest is loaded with issues and unless you can prove it was absolutely essential and it could not wait for an officer you're screwing yourself.
 
Hotwired said:
I recall this happening at least once before and not that recently.

Someone tied up an employee he accused of stealing and took him to a police station.

Stealing might have happened but a citizens arrest is loaded with issues and unless you can prove it was absolutely essential and it could not wait for an officer you're screwing yourself.
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Was in the states I think. Made them wear a placard saying they'd been stealing as they walked them there.
 
StriderX said:
I don't see how it satiates 'the woke'.

The fact that they had footage of his impropriety would have logically been enough, but they opted for a trial instead presumably to drag it out knowing the legal system would find the officer innocent in some deranged technocratic decision-making to make it seem more... genuine.
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Because if the officer hadn't been taken to court the 'woke' some of which are from minority communities would have rallied for riots and painted the system as being corrupt against them.
 
slight segue... i really hate that being woke is now seen as a pejorative term. I try to be woke myself in the actual definition of the term, imo is it a good thing to try to be.

however the people baying for blood in the media or the BLM people for instance... they are not woke, they are just nasty people with an agenda.
 
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Hotwired said:
Someone tied up an employee he accused of stealing and took him to a police station.

Stealing might have happened but a citizens arrest is loaded with issues and unless you can prove it was absolutely essential and it could not wait for an officer you're screwing yourself.
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It's the frogmarching them to the police station that was the issue (or putting on quad bike for trespassing in the other case).

There isn't an issue with restraining an actual criminal caught in the act or even using handcuffs (private security can carry and use those - a shop lifter can be restrained etc..). A homeowner probably has a lot of leeway to not only restrain a burglar but also use duct tape or rope to help do that if needed.

But the big issue is that they must be committing a crime worthy of being arrested for (merely trespassing on a farmer's land is a civil issue) and you need to call the police right away, you can restrain them until the police arrive but forcing them into or onto a vehicle or frogmarching through the street to get to the police station is no good!
 
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Fubsy said:
Woke is an umbrella term for anyone that ascribes to the "Critical Theories" belief system. I'm critical of anyone that believes in that stuff ;)
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that may be what the right wing media use it for, but i always thought it just meant someone who attempted to be aware of, stand up against, and try not to not be too swayed by*** stereotypes and racism.

which is no bad way to be imo.

*** its human nature, everyone is affected by some degree to stereotypes, its baked into us for survival
 
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bigmike20vt said:
slight segue... i really hate that being woke is now seen as a pejorative term. I try to be woke myself in the actual definition of the term, imo is it a good thing to try to be.

however the people baying for blood in the media or the BLM people for instance... they are not woke, they are just nasty people with an agenda.
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The old definition of the word is fine, everyone should be like that.

The new definition is very similar, just add '..... For virtue signaling purposes or monitary gain".

It's like Vegans. Nobody would care or hate them as much, if they just kept it to themselves and didn't shout it from the rooftop at every opportunity.
 
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