"Hundreds" of Met Police armed response officers hand in the weapons after colleague charged with murder - Chris Kaba Shooting aftermath.

thenewoc said:
They had a pretty good idea someone dangerous was likely driving it from their intel, otherwise they wouldn't have been following it to do a hard stop with armed officers. The moment he failed to cooperate only further strengthened the likelihood of their intel being correct, it escalated at that point because you can't wait to be shot at first.
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They didn’t shoot him because they were worried about being shot the officer shot him because he thought the officers were imminent danger of being killed by the car.

There is so much weird stuff in the news today, the jury heard the evidence and based on the incident alone without knowledge of the victims background decided that the officer wasn’t guilty of murder. That should be the end of it that is how the British justice system works.

I’m glad the Home Secretary is moving to give officers in a similar situation the right to anonymity as your life shouldn’t be ruined for doing your job legally. I also agree with our fire arms officers being heavily scrutinised when ever they draw and or use a weapon they should always be held to the highest standards to maintain the incredibly low rate of use. I don’t want to live in a country where police use of lethal force is normalised it needs to remain as it is the exception.

The family are clearly traumatised by there loss and looking for someone to blame, it is easy to understand and give it a few weeks it will all die down and go back to how it was. The fact the guy was clearly a wrongun doesn’t stop them feeling the sam loss anyone else does and is in no way justification for him being killed, his actions on the night in question were what got him killed and those who have seen the evidence have delivered the verdict.
 
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a1ex2001 said:
I also agree with our fire arms officers being heavily scrutinised when ever they draw and or use a weapon they should always be held to the highest standards to maintain the incredibly low rate of use. I don’t want to live in a country where police use of lethal force is normalised it needs to remain as it is the exception.
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Absolutely they need high standards and heavy scrutiny, though in this case he only fired one shot and there was a clear threat to life. The video of the incident seems pretty self-explanatory too.

I really don't think this should have gotten to court - the fact that the jury was able to reach a unanimous verdict so quickly says it all too. The IOPC and CPS seem to have pursued a political agenda here, they ruined this guy's life for two years as they didn't want to take the political heat from angry activist types and woke politicians for making that decision.

The Met itself supported gross misconduct proceedings against him last year before the verdict (presumably because of the decision to pursue charges) and yesterday was rapidly backtracking on that decision because of the verdict. No doubt they know full well that the tide has turned and they'd get obliterated in the press and face a big backlash from armed officers.
 
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Rimsy said:
And replaced with?
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A new police force rebuilt from the ground up like they did in Northern Ireland is how the thinking goes. It would be a massive and incredibly costly exercise and I’m not sure it would fix the problems faced by the force. The problem as with policing in general is chronic underfunding leading to understaffing poor moral and poor pay which makes recruiting the right people hard.
 
Overwhelming support for the farmer on social media about this, as it happened near where I live.

But I'm sure the usual lot will be here shortly to put us straight.

A bit off topic though, should probably be put another thread.
 
robgmun said:
Backwards police world strikes again:

www.dailymail.co.uk

Farmer ties 'trespassers' to quad bike before HE is arrested

The farmer, 52, had strapped two lads, aged 17 and 20, across the front and back of his vehicle before driving them four miles to the cops.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

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So the guy takes hostages straight to the police station?

With only his word as evidence I'm not sure it's unreasonable for the police not to suspect foul-play, also I can only assume they've been tied to the bike but it's still endangering their life.
 
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StriderX said:
So the guy takes hostages straight to the police station?

With only his word as evidence I'm not sure it's unreasonable for the police not to suspect foul-play, also I can only assume they've been tied to the bike but it's still endangering their life.
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To suspect foul play by what...taking them straight to the police station? That thing kidnappers are renowned for?
 
It’s unlikely the farmer meant them harm if delivered to the police as if you did mean them harm you wouldn’t go anywhere near the police!

Scrotes need to understand there isn’t a place for them on this earth and it’s irrelevant what happens to them in their pursuit of crime.
 
All that does is embolden others to carry out the sort of behaviour those young lads were 'enjoying' at someone else's enjoyment of life.

Now, if the police were to lock them both up while they investigate, that's fair.

Edit: maybe the problem is, the farmer likely knows or has already made many calls to the police and just finds them totally unresponsive, so has done their work for them. Only one way things go if you disrespect the Police like that while being a law abiding citizen :rolleyes:
 
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Maybe they need to do some PSA’s on armed police to help people understand the rules of engagement.

There is another grifter doing the rounds that keeps insisting Kaba posed no threat, and was boxed in so ‘could hardly have gone anywhere’.. he completely ignores the fact Kaba is still ramming the blockade backwards and forwards and that armed police at that time were out of their vehicles and surrounding the car, making those desperate evasion barging moves of Kaba direct physical threats to the officers.

Another common thread is that Kaba was unarmed, with the implication that only armed people should be shot, but even if he was brandishing a gun, they’d still think that he wasn't a threat unless he shot anyone, and ultimately even if he shot someone that would still not warrant his killing because obviously he would have only shot someone in self defence.

That’s sounds ludicrous and you'd think I was exaggerating, but the same grifter claiming he posed no threat was making the argument about Kara’s alleged shooting prior to this event was likely he only shot someone in self defence (as if that justifies it).

We still don't know on what grounds the IOPC/CPS decided to take this sham of a case to court, there seemed no case to answer when you look at the evidence.. just incredibly straight forward and well within what anyone would imagine ARO's would have to do..

But we can all imagine this was just another political stunt to appease and ring fence minorities to satiate the woke.. Chris Kaba was not a black person in this case, he was a career criminal, a violent thug to which whilst that was irrelevant as to the offcers reaction, it does conclusively show that Kaba's motivation was never one of innocence or being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 
I don't see how it satiates 'the woke'.

The fact that they had footage of his impropriety would have logically been enough, but they opted for a trial instead presumably to drag it out knowing the legal system would find the officer innocent in some deranged technocratic decision-making to make it seem more... genuine.
 
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Another unfortunate side-effect of bringing this farcical case to court in such a public manner is that next time an officer is investigated for misconduct/unlawful killing, many people are probably going to immediately jump to the conclusion that it's just another political pantomime, even if in that case the officer did act improperly and should be prosecuted for it. It's damaging to everyone :(

StriderX said:
it's still endangering their life.
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Haggisman said:
Another unfortunate side-effect of bringing this farcical case to court in such a public manner is that next time an officer is investigated for misconduct/unlawful killing, many people are probably going to immediately jump to the conclusion that it's just another political pantomime, even if in that case the officer did act improperly and should be prosecuted for it. It's damaging to everyone :(



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You'd have the farmer spend his life in prison instead?

I know it was in humour but still (sorry I'm party pooping).
 
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