Soldato
HUNGARORING - BUDAPEST - HUNGARY Grand Prix 2009 - Race 10/17
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Soldato
Yeah 'cos it does say 'unless he drives for another team' and i doubt Massa will be fit enough.
Has anyone ever done that before though?
Soldato
Thanks Over Clocker for the info 
A good call there by the Stewards, I can just see Briatore big face going bright red with anger
Well done to LH is he back for the rest of the season? I hope so.
A good call there by the Stewards, I can just see Briatore big face going bright red with anger
Well done to LH
is he back for the rest of the season? I hope so.
Soldato
Ferrari International Assistance has cleverly engineered itself a way to get Alonso into a red car 
I jest of course but...
has cleverly engineered itself a way to get Alonso into a red car I jest of course but...
Like a Braun
i was honestly expecting both the brauns to be stopped from racing this weekend but i can only presume that the fia were happy that the failure was a fluke.
Soldato
I was only joking.
The Renault seemed to get punished because it was preventable, and on the back of Massa and the accident last week, they just got clamped down on. If it hadn't been for those 2, Renault would have just got a telling off
Man of Honour
Bit of a difference, Brawn failure was not known at the time, where as Renault released Alonso full well knowing his wheel was not secure and would most likely fall off!
Soldato
He might as well. He's almost certainly joining Ferrari next year. Might as well do at least one race to erm prepare himself.Ferrari International Assistance
I jest of course but...
Soldato
Renault suspended? Jesus Christ, what an over-reaction.
Why not just fine the **** out of them, works with everyone else.
Yay for 18 car grids... *cough*
Why not just fine the **** out of them, works with everyone else.
Yay for 18 car grids... *cough*
Soldato
Good race, well done to Lewis and McLaren for a great win.
Couple of questions :
1) Where can we see how many engines each driver has used? I guess in the closing part of the season this could have a significant impact on race outcomes.
2) Any ideas of the format for qualy 2010? Will it be 8 out of Q1, 8 out of Q2 and then a Q3 top 10 or will they stick with 5 out and then have 16 in Q3?
Couple of questions :
1) Where can we see how many engines each driver has used? I guess in the closing part of the season this could have a significant impact on race outcomes.
2) Any ideas of the format for qualy 2010? Will it be 8 out of Q1, 8 out of Q2 and then a Q3 top 10 or will they stick with 5 out and then have 16 in Q3?
I was only joking.
The Renault seemed to get punished because it was preventable, and on the back of Massa and the accident last week, they just got clamped down on. If it hadn't been for those 2, Renault would have just got a telling off
Doubt it. Maybe nto a race ban, but definately a punishment of some sort. Regardless of what the specifics were, the team 'knowlingly allowed a dangerous car to leave the pits and rejoin the race'. They would have got some fines or penalties or something. Given the fact Alonso thought he had a puncture right up untill the wheel fell off a good minute after leving the pits, it clearly showed they had no plans to stop or tell Alonso what had happened. Even if Fred had got back to the pits ok and they swapped the wheel and he carried on, I expect they would have been in trouble. You cant knowingly send out a dangerous car and hope nobody notices. It was a dangerous call by Renault so im glad they have had a punishment.
Guess Piquets career is over then.
When there was 22 cars it was 6, 6, 10, so id expect it to be 8, 8, 10. Cant be a 'top 10 shootout' with more than 10 cars
Although I dont belive any of the 3 teams (well, maybe USF1) will make it to the grid now the budget cap rules have been scrapped, so dont expect it to change much in terms of car numbers. I would however like to know whats going to happen about fuel loads? Now that there is no refuling during the race there is no point in qualifying with race fuel, everyone is the same, so can we get back to some good old fasioned low fuel qualifying all the way through, and possibly end up with the guys on pole being there on pace, and not just cos they are light? I hope so.
yea because she needs the layers of makeup
i meant i prefer to look at someone with natural beauty that only needs a little bit of makeup to bring out the beauty that already exists rather than someone who needs thick layers of makeup to hide what we dont want to see
Soldato
1) The Brawn failure was predictable (not quite as predictable as knowing it was about to scatter half of the suspension over the track) - they knew from the first lap of qualifying that they had a suspension problem.
2) The wheel was secure as he left the pits. It was the wheel-cover which unwound the nut.
Man of Honour
No, the wheel cover not sitting correctly on the wheel means that the wheel nut is not on properly. Therefore the wheel was NOT secure as it left the pits!
1) having a problem with suspension doesnt mean you know it is going to fall apart. Algursuari 'knew' he had a problem with the engine in Qualifying, Sutil 'knew' he had a problem with the cooling on the warm up lap, but they are completely non specific and problems that were not there when the car left the pits.
2) the wheel was not secure, you can see it vibrating, and the wheel cover didnt unscrew the nut, Ted Kravitz was talking rubbish, the wheel covered are not conencted to the nut, and the nuts are designed to be self tightening aswell. They have a safety catch thing in them that when the nut is tightened the mechanic clicks out of the centre of the nut (watch next time, you can see all the mechanics doing it). This didnt click out, meaning the wheel was not on securely.
The difference is between 'knowing you have a problem', which every does when they have a problem, and 'knowing you have a problem, but sending the car out anyway and not making any effort to rectify or sove the problem, or tell the driver'. What Renault did was reckless and dangerous. Its like going to get some new tyres from a garage, and them knowingly only putting have the nuts back on the wheel and only doing them up loosely, then just letting you drive off and not telling you.
Associate
Another joke of a decision for the FIA. Investigating Kimi after the race? what for? he did nothing wrong. Not investigating red bull for releasing a car into the path of another, then this farce?
I hope renault sue! Perhaps Alonso should have a walk down to Ferrari and ask if they want someone to drive Massa's car in Valencia should he not be able to take part.
Renault should show up at Valencia with loads of "The FIA suck!" banners, and sit in the garages and just mock the entire weekend.
If this situation isn't overturned, its only going to further damage the sport.
I agree with an above post, how many car's have we seen limping back to the pits with a wheel or some other part hanging off their car? It happens all the time!
F A I L not F I A
Yes I know the FIA might not have made the decision, but they are ultimately responsible for any decision made.
I hope renault sue! Perhaps Alonso should have a walk down to Ferrari and ask if they want someone to drive Massa's car in Valencia should he not be able to take part.
Renault should show up at Valencia with loads of "The FIA suck!" banners, and sit in the garages and just mock the entire weekend.
If this situation isn't overturned, its only going to further damage the sport.
I agree with an above post, how many car's have we seen limping back to the pits with a wheel or some other part hanging off their car? It happens all the time!
F A I L not F I A
Yes I know the FIA might not have made the decision, but they are ultimately responsible for any decision made.
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Man of Honour
You're talking absolute rubbish!
What Renault did was dangerous, they KNEW the wheel was not secured but still released the car and did NOT tell Alonso the wheel was not secure.
Also, Red Bull WERE summoned for an investigation into releasing the car. Also, Kimi was investigated and cleared, so I don't see what the problem is with that?