Soldato
With a wife like that, it's a compliment.I've killed people for lesser insults than that....
HUNGARORING - BUDAPEST - HUNGARY Grand Prix 2009 - Race 10/17
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Soldato
I maybe wrong here but I don't think you can turn the disc to lock untill the nut is on correctly.
Don't the nuts have a left handed thread in them to help keep them tight?
Don't the nuts have a left handed thread in them to help keep them tight?
Soldato
Eddie Jordan is thoroughly annoying to watch.
Jake asking about the car he said should have be burnt and won with KERS resulted in the typical BS from him. 'Ill teach you young whippersnappers...'' blah blah what ever you loon.
Decent race, first race Ive managed to sit and watch the whole thing. Superb stuff from Lewis.
Jake asking about the car he said should have be burnt and won with KERS resulted in the typical BS from him. 'Ill teach you young whippersnappers...'' blah blah what ever you loon.
Decent race, first race Ive managed to sit and watch the whole thing. Superb stuff from Lewis.
Soldato
With the incidents and what not over with, the whole race was a good one to watch.
I thought, it would have been a borefest. I was wrong.
Faultless drive from Hamilton, even I have to admit that. Overall, great peformance from McLaren, its great to see them back at the front where they belong with Ferrari.
I was over the moon that Kimi finished 2nd. Yes, he had a great start with the help from the KERS button, after that I thought he would be caught and it would be another average under par performance from Ferrari with him finishing between 7th - 9th. Was I wrong
The car actually had pace and he found the loud pedal to put in a fair few quick consistant laps. Last lap was his quickest again, wasn't it? I have to say though, I really thought that the car wouldn't last the whole race, I was just waiting for something to go wrong like it always does. Fingers crossed that they can get the reliability sorted for the rest of the season.
Strange afternoon from the Brawn cars, they were not on it at all today. Something thats gone onto the car isn't working. Luckly for them they have a nice break until the next race. Button's title which pretty much everyone were saying that he won after the first 6 races is quickly slipping away from him with the cars performance. The only saving grace for him that the likes of McLaren and Ferrari are up the front to take points away from their rivals RedBull. Brawn have to keep them at bay too though!
Cant believe we have to wait 4 weeks for the next installment!
I thought, it would have been a borefest. I was wrong.
Faultless drive from Hamilton, even I have to admit that. Overall, great peformance from McLaren, its great to see them back at the front where they belong with Ferrari.
I was over the moon that Kimi finished 2nd. Yes, he had a great start with the help from the KERS button, after that I thought he would be caught and it would be another average under par performance from Ferrari with him finishing between 7th - 9th. Was I wrong
The car actually had pace and he found the loud pedal to put in a fair few quick consistant laps. Last lap was his quickest again, wasn't it? I have to say though, I really thought that the car wouldn't last the whole race, I was just waiting for something to go wrong like it always does. Fingers crossed that they can get the reliability sorted for the rest of the season.Strange afternoon from the Brawn cars, they were not on it at all today. Something thats gone onto the car isn't working. Luckly for them they have a nice break until the next race. Button's title which pretty much everyone were saying that he won after the first 6 races is quickly slipping away from him with the cars performance. The only saving grace for him that the likes of McLaren and Ferrari are up the front to take points away from their rivals RedBull. Brawn have to keep them at bay too though!
Cant believe we have to wait 4 weeks for the next installment!
I think it's completely justified.
Alonso must've known that wheel was loose. If he didn't know, the team sure as hell did and should have told him on the radio.
If there was a car alongside him at the point that wheel came off, or if he was near one of the grandstands, he probably would have killed somebody.
He should have just parked it and walked.
Granted it wasn't 100% Alonso's fault, though; I'm sure there's a lollipop man who's out of a job tonight. Perhaps that's why it's a team disqualification rather than a driver fine/ban.
With the incidents and what not over with, the whole race was a good one to watch.
I thought, it would have been a borefest. I was wrong.
Faultless drive from Hamilton, even I have to admit that. Overall, great peformance from McLaren, its great to see them back at the front where they belong with Ferrari.
I was over the moon that Kimi finished 2nd. Yes, he had a great start with the help from the KERS button, after that I thought he would be caught and it would be another average under par performance from Ferrari with him finishing between 7th - 9th. Was I wrong
Strange afternoon from the Brawn cars, they were not on it at all today. Something thats gone onto the car isn't working. Luckly for them they have a nice break until the next race. Button's title which pretty much everyone were saying that he won after the first 6 races is quickly slipping away from him with the cars performance. The only saving grace for him that the likes of McLaren and Ferrari are up the front to take points away from their rivals RedBull. Brawn have to keep them at bay too though!
Cant believe we have to wait 4 weeks for the next installment!
Part of the four week break includes a mandatory 2 week shut down of the factory, so Brawn won't have any more time to work on the car than normal between races.
Ferrari International Assistance
I jest of course but...
Fantastic!!!
FIA felt Ferrari needed a better driver, so they thought, "sod it, lets ban Alonso's team, so he can make a quick move to Ferrari".
It would make a lot of sense for Alonso to move now, rather than in 2010, if only for him to become comfortable with his new team before a possible title challenge in 2010. However, I think out of respect to Massa, Ferrari won't be signing up Alonso at this time.
BTW Kimi and Hamilton drove well. They made no mistakes and drove at good speed.
Button/Brawn seriously need to stop the rot, as they do appear to be going backwards. Brawn blamed cold tracks for their lack of pace in the last 2 GPs, but that clearly isnt going to wash anymore. The BrawnGP cars, as if by magic, went from being race winning cars to also rans, overnight - quite shocking. Just as shocking is McLaren's return to form - wasn't Hamilton getting lapped, only a few races ago by Button?
Jeeese, there are a lot of people on here who miss the point and jump all over people.
The Renault ban has nothing to do with the car being dangerous. It is to do with the team knowing the car was dangerous and not taking any steps to prevent its return to the track. Even Ted Kravitz could see the moment the car left the box the wheel wasnt on correctly. It is because the team knew the car was unsafe yet didnt prevent it joinging the track that they have gotten penalised.
And for all those claiming the spinner undid the nut, the spinner was spinning clockwise, and clockwise is the direction in which the nut is tightened, so if it was just the spinner that was loose it would have tightend the nut, not loosened it.
But I will say the ban is slightly harsh, a fine and some grid place penalties would have sufficed, and also that the Webber release should have been punished during the race, and that the Kimi investigation is total farse. But then, isnt inconsistency the only consistent thing abotu race stewards!
The Renault ban has nothing to do with the car being dangerous. It is to do with the team knowing the car was dangerous and not taking any steps to prevent its return to the track. Even Ted Kravitz could see the moment the car left the box the wheel wasnt on correctly. It is because the team knew the car was unsafe yet didnt prevent it joinging the track that they have gotten penalised.
And for all those claiming the spinner undid the nut, the spinner was spinning clockwise, and clockwise is the direction in which the nut is tightened, so if it was just the spinner that was loose it would have tightend the nut, not loosened it.
But I will say the ban is slightly harsh, a fine and some grid place penalties would have sufficed, and also that the Webber release should have been punished during the race, and that the Kimi investigation is total farse. But then, isnt inconsistency the only consistent thing abotu race stewards!
Just more evidence for what I've said all along f1 these days is 99% car 1% driver. You can have all the talent in the world but it means nothing if the car isn't the quickest. Which is why a couple of races ago we had alonso and Hamilton battling for 16th/17th.
It also blows apart all the guff about drivers developing cars. Without testing Mclaren have managed to drag that car from dog to the fastest car. Ferrari have made huge gains as well.
Red Bull vastly improved the car with the computer simulation acurately predicting the gains on the track.
The wrong people in F1 are paid vast sums of money.
No doubt about it.
You're ignoring the fact that some drivers are much worse than others, are slower (consistently beaten by team mates), spin more and are generally more 'unlucky'. Whilst the best driver in the world can't win in the worst car, that's clear, the best car with a poor driver also can't win. F1 drivers are meant to be among the best in the world - even in a small sample right at the top there is still huge variation in driver ability. I wouldn't say 99% - 1% as you suggest, more 70/30.
Regarding developing cars, whilst computer simulation can do a lot today it wasn't always the case. Could the cars of the 90's have been developed without so much track testing?
They do. Drivers are still testing and giving feedback during race weekends. The data is then taken back the factory and the car is improved. I'll admit though that computer modelling has reached a point where gains can still be made. Testing though, would increase the speed of improvement.
Drivers are the guys who actually risk their lives on the track. I do admit though, that Kimi gets paid way too much money for what he does. He isnt even the best driver in F1, so why he is Schumacheresque money, I dont know.
Indeed. If its all about the car, then we wouldnt have Hamilton vastly outperforming his team-mate or Alonso doing the same to his.
The driver makes a massive difference. I would much rather have Hamilton or Alonso in my team than Heikki or Piquet.
70/30 my crinkley bottom. No way does 30% of a laptime come from the driver. Your right it wasn't always that way, which is why I'm discussing the modern F1 driver.
Yeah there are some bad ones but I doubt the margin for the top 10 is very much at all.
As for a poor driver not winning in a great car, well this forum was littered with people who said Jenson was a wash up and webber was nothing special.
Or you have the ultimate poo driver winning in a great car, Massa.
The feedback people think they give is greatly exagerrated. Mika Hakkinen drove two of the best mclarens, yet barely knew the front from the back of the car. This years car has been pushed forward at amazing levels with little input from the drivers. It's been done by aero advancement and that hasn't come from the drivers.
Thats because theres a difference in beating your team mate or beating a putz whose been put there to keep no1 happy with his earlier parts on the car or amount of resources they have.
Not that they are in the same class as their team mates but then the teams have not been in a hurry to get them another driver either.
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Don
Just seen the pics of Massa sitting in his car, I think he'll be lucky to drive a normal car again let alone F1. He's in an induced coma at the moment apparently.
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Don
There in the papers, basically he's sitting upright in he car, with his visor smashed off and what looks like a hole above his left eye brow in the helmet. Looks bloodied as well plus his left eye is shut and his right wide open
Soldato
There in the papers, basically he's sitting upright in he car, with his visor smashed off and what looks like a hole above his left eye brow in the helmet. Looks bloodied as well plus his left eye is shut and his right wide open
ah right yer i've seen that picture, I thought you might have seen others which would further emphasise the point of him taking a longer time to recover.