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Completely agree, would love to see a dnf from vettel just to spice up the championship. Would also like to see how he responds to the pressure.
Here's hoping for a Hamilton or Alonso win and Button podium.
Hungary Grand Prix 2011, Hungaroring Circuit - Race 11/19
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Completely agree, would love to see a dnf from vettel just to spice up the championship. Would also like to see how he responds to the pressure.
Here's hoping for a Hamilton or Alonso win and Button podium.
I agree.
I would still like to see Vettel win the championship, but as a viewer I would like to see it be closer.
I previously stated that Vettel needed to have a bad qualifying and prove hes a racer. Germany showed that perhaps he doesn't have the overtaking or racecraft skills of people like Lewis (he might not always be successful, but at least he always tries). We need a few more hard races for him and some presure to be piled on so he can show he doesn't win a championship solely on being able to qualify well.
I absolutely agree with you and as a McLaren fan I've been frustrated this season that they haven't been closer to RBR.
However, I'm starting to question whether it really matters that Vettel can't overtake.
Does he not deserve the title this season because he can't overtake? Does being the fastest man every Saturday and time trialling every Sunday make his victories less justified than if he'd had to battle from mid pack every race?
It might not be entertaining for the spectators and it might be frustrating for fans of other teams but he still has do work damn hard to be as consistent as he has been (until the last couple of races)...
No, your right Panzer, at the end of the day of Vettel wins the championship it will be because he has performed best of all the drivers within the regulations and format of the F1 season.
Its just without a few 'Champion drives' people will quite rightly claim the title was 'easy'. For his sake I hope he does have a few great drives to silence those people. If he wins it will be because he is the best, I just don't want to see people questioning weather he 'deserves' it.
My ideal second half of this season would see RBR struggle, Vettel muscle in some great drives. McLaren and Ferrari bang in some great wins, Mercedes proove they aren't another Toyota (all the money, no results), and the title go down to the last couple of races, but with Vettel winning in the end.
Its just without a few 'Champion drives' people will quite rightly claim the title was 'easy'. For his sake I hope he does have a few great drives to silence those people. If he wins it will be because he is the best, I just don't want to see people questioning weather he 'deserves' it.
My ideal second half of this season would see RBR struggle, Vettel muscle in some great drives. McLaren and Ferrari bang in some great wins, Mercedes proove they aren't another Toyota (all the money, no results), and the title go down to the last couple of races, but with Vettel winning in the end.
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I see Mercedes going the way of Toyota and BMW. Lots of money invested with little return in terms of success. I think they were betting on automatic success when buying current constructors champions and a seven times WDC driver . . . some race wins at the very least.
Vettel doesn't have to win again this season as long as he continues to score decent points but lets face it, he's unlikely to go without at least one more win this season (always immense at Suzuka) so the WDC is pretty much his, and deservedly so imo.
As mentioned, I just hope Alonso and Hamilton can claim yet more wins just to make things more interesting.
Vettel doesn't have to win again this season as long as he continues to score decent points but lets face it, he's unlikely to go without at least one more win this season (always immense at Suzuka) so the WDC is pretty much his, and deservedly so imo.
As mentioned, I just hope Alonso and Hamilton can claim yet more wins just to make things more interesting.
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I don't think they have as much money as people think. They got money back from Mclaren for their holding and I read on pitpass a while back that the suits are asking questions why they are running the team. It also hinted that they are not listening to Brawn.
How much truth is in that I don't know but I know a fair bit about their sources so I'm inclined to believe some of it.
They will go the way of BMW/Renault I'm sure. Like BMW they should have stayed a supplier and tried to work with the teams they joined.
I'd prefer to see a resurgance of Williams before Frank calls it a day
I'd prefer to see a resurgance of Williams before Frank calls it a day
They have the image of a bunch of old men doing things how they always have and just not moving with the times.
I think the current shake up might help them, but they need a serious kick up the arse. I would love to see them at the front again though.
The team I supported for years.
Now I only support drivers.
Be so nice for them to make a comeback, but it's unlikely.
I don't think it will make people question whether he deserves it or not. Simply he has been the fastest driver in the fastest car and that makes sense that he is ahead in the championship and will probably win the title.
Were he to quit at the end of the season though people would question whether he was a "great" driver or merely just a good one in a great car. Too often he ends up behind another car, be it Massa last weekend, or Hamilton before that and is unable to pass. Something that cannot be as readily said for Webber in a supposedly identical car.
Being the fastest man in a race because you are the only one with 2 legs doesn't make you a great runner. You are simply the best equipped to win the race.
As I've said before, he is a nice guy, he is undoubtedly fast when he has to pump a lap in and he has shown that he can wring more out of that car than the only other man who gets to drive it.
At the end of the day what defines a great driver? Is it only stats? Is Heidfeld a great driver because he has so few retirements? Is Schumacher a great driver only because he won the all the titles? Is Hamilton a great driver because he managed to compete with a world champion in his rookie year?
Honestly I wouldn't call Vettel a "great" just yet. He has a lot going for him, and as soon as he shows that he can do better than the car is capable of doing (al la Alonso & Hamilton) then that opinion might change. He's got more than enough time to become a great though.
Oh it will, people question it most years. People questioned JB, LH even MS.
Yep, there will be loads of people questioning whether whoever wins the title 'deserves' the title. Its always the same.
Questions over whether Vettel deserved the 2010 title as he hadn't lead at all untill the end.
Questions over whether JB deserved the 2009 title as he had a relatively poor second half of the season.
Questions over wether Lewis deserved the 2008 title as he 'wouldn't apreiciate it being so young'.
Questions over whether Kimi deserved the 2007 title due to his lack of on screen personality
And those are just the ones I can remember arguing about on the internet. The driver who deserves the title is the one with the most points at the end of the season. Simple as.
Questions over whether Vettel deserved the 2010 title as he hadn't lead at all untill the end.
Questions over whether JB deserved the 2009 title as he had a relatively poor second half of the season.
Questions over wether Lewis deserved the 2008 title as he 'wouldn't apreiciate it being so young'.
Questions over whether Kimi deserved the 2007 title due to his lack of on screen personality
And those are just the ones I can remember arguing about on the internet. The driver who deserves the title is the one with the most points at the end of the season. Simple as.
If you win you deserve the title.
Other than MSC - Damon hill crash and senna being banned thing.
However there can still be debate abou how good the driver is and how good the car is, when trying to rank them against each other. But they still deserve it.
Other than MSC - Damon hill crash and senna being banned thing.
However there can still be debate abou how good the driver is and how good the car is, when trying to rank them against each other. But they still deserve it.
Yep.
However I would gladly bet that both the below phrases will appear on this forum once the season is over if Vettel wins:
"Vettel didn't deserve the title as the only reason he won was because the Red Bull was the fastest car"
"Vettel didn't deserve the title as the only reason he won was because the team unfairly favoured him over Webber"
Both tosh (the 'deserve' bit, not the car/Webber bits).
Hopefully the renault engine will help them along for a while, in 97 if you said Williams won't win the title for say 15 years people would have laughed. Especially the drivers who ended up going there thinking it was a sure fire winner.
Clearly they underestimated how budgets would increase and how valuable Newey is.
You look at the 96 and 97 williams and the wings seem so simple, as does the bodywork. It all went wrong with that horrible Winfield livery
and not forgetting that mechacrome engine (old renault) Even though they do come across as the two old guys from trading places I do like listening to Frank Williams interviews.
There's a lot to be said for a drivers performanced based on where they are in their head. Vettel and Jenson had a poor qualifying session last week and this showed in their race with mistakes or being hesitant.
Lewis had a great qualifying and started the race all guns blazing and carried it on throughout. He is going to be buzzing all week, full of confidence and excitement. He wont be able to wait to get back into the car, and when he does he needs it to feel as positive as it did last week. This is also helping Alonso, they found a bit more pace and its encouraged him and put faith the car will do what it needs to.
If Vettel struggles this weekend, then there could be a sharp change of positions, although he will need to finish 4th and below or a DNF for it to make a big dent on his lead. Excited for the next race so quick from the last, not looking forward to the midway break though
Lewis had a great qualifying and started the race all guns blazing and carried it on throughout. He is going to be buzzing all week, full of confidence and excitement. He wont be able to wait to get back into the car, and when he does he needs it to feel as positive as it did last week. This is also helping Alonso, they found a bit more pace and its encouraged him and put faith the car will do what it needs to.
If Vettel struggles this weekend, then there could be a sharp change of positions, although he will need to finish 4th and below or a DNF for it to make a big dent on his lead. Excited for the next race so quick from the last, not looking forward to the midway break though
Alonso nearly did that last year but this year Mclaren and Ferrari will take far too many points off each other I think to turn this around, without any severe Vettel reliability issues.
Myself I'm not bothered, the races have all been pretty damn good that even if Vettel wins the title by over 100 points I've really enjoyed the season.
If this had been previous years or dull races with a massive lead I would have likely given up, but so far we have only had one really dull race
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Couldn't agree more, it's quite strange that despite how dominant Vettel has been the races have still been really entertaining so far.
Yep, forgetting the total waste of space of Valencia, there has always been good action going on, even if its not at the front.
Seeing positions 1, 2, 3 and 4 in a single panning Camera shot on about lap 20 in Germany pretty much summed up the whole season
Seeing positions 1, 2, 3 and 4 in a single panning Camera shot on about lap 20 in Germany pretty much summed up the whole season