Hurricane - Irma

Azza · 10 Sep 2017 at 17:38

Jeff Piotrowski is in between Marco Island and Naples at the moment between a couple of buildings waiting for a wall to come in and think it'll be about 3 hours until the eye wall comes over..

His stream is superb you can watch here - https://www.pscp.tv/w/1MnGnmNQrAyKO while its up that is.

thedoc46 said:
I have evacuated to North Carolina. it took me over 20hrs to get there. this has created the biggest evacuation in US History. Here's the problem. Fuel and traffic.. When you're on the roads, along with millions of others, any gas stations that receive gas, gets crazy queues. I had some 5 gal canisters that i filled. The problem is no where in florida is not in the danger zone. So i'm going to have to wait it completely passes north before i or the millions of others that have evacuted can get back... Imagine how it feels knowing your home has probably been half destroyed and all your possesions are in easy access to whoever wants to help themselves, and you're going to have to wait days before you can get back. I hope that i will somehow still dodge a bullet. Ive been through Wilma, but this one is a completely different beast.

@thedoc46

Not looking good for Naples at the moment.

12:00 PM: Negative surge ~3.5 FT at #Naples to become 10-15 FT above ground as #Irma moves in. Life-threatening rapid water rise imminent!

https://twitter.com/NWSMiami/status/906913791274872833

4K8KW10 · 10 Sep 2017 at 17:38

Arazi said:
I certainly do not think it is the biggest hurricane ever because of climate change.

One question, do you believe there have been hurricanes of this size before 1851 in that area?

For sure, there have been much bigger ones.
But since we are in an interglacial period now, the hurricanes are weaker than what Earth has seen in its billions of years history.
With warming climate, hurricanes will get more frequent and more powerful.
Millions of years ago, when the climate was very humid and warm, these storms should have been much bigger.

Yes, it isn't a good idea to be living around Florida and Texas from now on.

By the way, also, you know that the Moon tries to escape the gravitational dance with Earth, so the tides are less pronounced now. So, as the overall influence of the Moon will decrease.

C.R.A.Z.Y · 10 Sep 2017 at 17:39

Getting pretty windy in Florida !!

Rroff · 10 Sep 2017 at 17:41

4K8KW10 said:
For sure, there have been much bigger ones.
But since we are in an interglacial period now, the hurricanes are weaker than what Earth has seen in its billions of years history.
With warming climate, hurricanes will get more frequent and more powerful.
Millions of years ago, when the climate was very humid and warm, these storms should have been much bigger.

Yes, it isn't a good idea to be living around Florida and Texas from now on.

By the way, also, you know that the Moon tries to escape the gravitational dance with Earth, so the tides are less pronounced now. So, as the overall influence of the Moon will decrease.

Irma is hardly a first in this area or of this magnitude in modern history - just fortunately past very strong ones have tended to impact less on built up areas (though not in all cases). Unfortunately the path of this one takes it very directly into inhabited areas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Category_5_Atlantic_hurricanes

To attribute to climate change at this point is um... though climate change in the general direction at the moment would likely result in more extremes of weather like hurricanes.

Nothing wrong with living in these areas - just needs some common sense and living in a prepared manner and that includes not letting preparations slip (like so often happens) if there is a lull with a few years where it goes quieter. Its perfectly possible to build an existence that can cope with these kind of storms especially as we have a fairly good ability to predict them in advance in plenty of time.

Hades · 10 Sep 2017 at 17:49

Tornado warning for Jacksonville now.

Flibster · 10 Sep 2017 at 17:49

acemastr said:
Just seen videos of the coast a few miles away with all the water gone, it's sucking all the water away. Hope it comes back slowly lol

killem said:
News reports are saying you will get the surge on the back side of the storm on the current storm track. Really hope you and your love ones keep safe.

It's a counter clockwise swirl going up the west coastline, so it takes the water away first then pushes it all back after the eye has passed.

C.R.A.Z.Y · 10 Sep 2017 at 18:03

Serious power outage now in Florida !

Jean-F · 10 Sep 2017 at 18:11

Spook187 said:
Kind of got no sympathy for the yanks, one of the biggest polluters along with china, pay back time i think.

Thanks for that, I have a bunch of friends in the U.S., including a
couple of families in Florida, you are a cretin of the first order.
It's like me as a Londoner, saying I don't like northerners, which
ISN'T true, so I've no sympathy for Mancunians after the bomb at
the Manchester Arena, who, in what world, would say that?

Rroff · 10 Sep 2017 at 18:13

C.R.A.Z.Y said:

Was watching a live cam not far from there - even with stuff like that going on still some people looking like they were trying to go about life as normal :s obviously going to get some who are dealing with emergency situations like maybe ill relatives that can't be moved or something but didn't appear to be the case.

Matteysan · 10 Sep 2017 at 18:18

And the looting starts. On the live stream I linked earlier.

redline · 10 Sep 2017 at 18:20

Azza said:
His stream is superb you can watch here

Its great... and he's on the move again.

Surge recession.
https://twitter.com/GernBlanston75/status/906910093928812550

4K8KW10 · 10 Sep 2017 at 18:38

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Getting pretty windy in Florida !!

This person in those conditions is utterly crazy to go out of the car without anything to secure his health. He needs something to hold him to the car. That wind can throw him dozens of metres away and kill him. Oh no

Rroff said:
Irma is hardly a first in this area or of this magnitude in modern history - just fortunately past very strong ones have tended to impact less on built up areas (though not in all cases). Unfortunately the path of this one takes it very directly into inhabited areas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Category_5_Atlantic_hurricanes

To attribute to climate change at this point is um... though climate change in the general direction at the moment would likely result in more extremes of weather like hurricanes.

Nothing wrong with living in these areas - just needs some common sense and living in a prepared manner and that includes not letting preparations slip (like so often happens) if there is a lull with a few years where it goes quieter. Its perfectly possible to build an existence that can cope with these kind of storms especially as we have a fairly good ability to predict them in advance in plenty of time.

Florida are in fact lucky that it doesn't happen more often than not.
The buildings design is of extreme importance now but these electricity outages, I think not being there is the best option.

C.R.A.Z.Y · 10 Sep 2017 at 18:38

Captain · 10 Sep 2017 at 18:42

I have a friend who flew out to Florida on Monday evening, not sure exactly where she's staying as i haven't managed to speak to her since Friday afternoon.

C.R.A.Z.Y · 10 Sep 2017 at 19:00

I guess it's a pretty quick way to evacuate !! lawl

bingham67 · 10 Sep 2017 at 19:24

Sad that a policewomen died in Florida coming off a shift helping people in shelter all night had head on collision on her way home 13 years in service

Storm really getting crazy now

Vertigo · 10 Sep 2017 at 19:37

The CNN reporter standing on the quayside by the boats/jetskis is a lunatic - one gust knocks him off his feet and he'll be in the water in a second!

balky12 · 10 Sep 2017 at 19:40

It's not just the winds it's what the winds can pick up/ move that is scary. Seen cars being moved, and allegedly a shipping container was thrown about a bit.

If these hurricanes go through high rise commercial area or even residential area they must pick up a lot of glass from windows, etc. Or have I just been watching too many movies?

Sasahara · 10 Sep 2017 at 19:42

Rroff said:
Irma is hardly a first in this area or of this magnitude in modern history - just fortunately past very strong ones have tended to impact less on built up areas (though not in all cases). Unfortunately the path of this one takes it very directly into inhabited areas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Category_5_Atlantic_hurricanes

To attribute to climate change at this point is um... though climate change in the general direction at the moment would likely result in more extremes of weather like hurricanes.

You might notice something on the link you posted, the frequency and strength of storms has been gradually increasing in the last 150 years. There is a similar pattern for lower rated storms too in that area.

Man made climate change is like to have some effect, that doesn't mean it causes the storms, but certainly make storms stronger than they would have been.

Raymond Lin · 10 Sep 2017 at 19:43

balky12 said:
It's not just the winds it's what the winds can pick up/ move that is scary. Seen cars being moved, and allegedly a shipping container was thrown about a bit.

If these hurricanes go through high rise commercial area or even residential area they must pick up a lot of glass from windows, etc. Or have I just been watching too many movies?

And coconuts, they are deadly.