I don't really get this... Devil?

[Pestilence]

Anyway, next question:

Why doesn't god heal amputees?

It would cost an arm and a leg.


Bada-bing!

 

[Makunouchi]

It doesn't make any sense as you are thinking of hell in the modern idea which has no basis in religious texts.

So much of our religious imagery comes from modern literature and art, angels in particular are never described in the Bible as humanoids with birds wings. They are actually only described a couple of times, once as a giant 'ring' with multiple eyes.

lol @ everything religious.

 

[jmc007]

angels in particular are never described in the Bible as humanoids

I think they are mate, two places in bible I know of are when Jacob wrestled with a man all night who was an Angel. Also in the new testamant we are told to be careful how we treat strangers, as many people have entertained Angels and been unaware.

 

[Castiel]

So much of our religious imagery comes from modern literature and art, angels in particular are never described in the Bible as humanoids with birds wings. They are actually only described a couple of times, once as a giant 'ring' with multiple eyes.

lol @ everything religious.

Angels are mentioned over 100 times in the Old Testament, and over 150 times in the New Testament.

Angel's are described in various ways in the Bible:

Isaiah 6: "Above him stood the seraphim. Each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew.."

Daniel 10:5 "I lifted up my eyes and looked, and behold, a man clothed in linen, with a belt of fine gold from Uphaz around his waist" 10:6 "His body was like beryl, his face like the appearance of lightning, his eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and the sound of his words like the sound of a multitude"

Mark 16:5 "And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were alarmed."

The above are just a few of the descriptions given in the Bible referring to either wings or human appearance.


But Angels are spirits and as such do not need a human form, they can take a human form when the need is there, such as the three Angels who appeared as travellers to Abraham and then went on to destroy Sodom.


The word Angel comes from the Greek "aggelos" which translates as Messenger, the corresponding Hebrew word "Mal'ak" also means Messenger.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel

http://christianity.about.com/od/whatdoesthebiblesay/a/angelsbible.htm

 

[Tefal]

Not if God loves us enough to give us free will. We are the only ones that can condemn us, at least according to Christianity.

sorry but god made the system of


You have free will ok

And here's your choice


Do as i say live for eternity in happiness and joy


Don't do as i say and i will brutally torture you for all time.


Remember now This is freewill and your choice!




Not really a choice is it and as god set the system up he is to blame.


he could have set it up as

Do as i say live in my paradise wit my rules and like minded people forever


Don't do as i say and live in your own paradise where you guys make the rules.

That would be a choice.


this is just a threat from a thug.

 

[Glaucus]

Torture and eternity? Where's he say that.

 

[Tefal]

Torture and eternity? Where's he say that.

depending on your bible it;s either fire (kjv) or the anguish of your separation from god iirc.

 

[bloodiedathame]

Hah, deities.

 

[Glaucus]

Not reall devoured by fire destroyed by fire. No tortureand no eternity unless you mistranslate or don't understand the original context.

 

[Tefal]

Not reall devoured by fire destroyed by fire. No tortureand no eternity unless you mistranslate or don't understand the original context.

says cast into a lake of fire, either way, painfully burnt to death even just once is still no choice.

If i doused you in petrol and said do as i say or i light you on fire would you say you genuinely had a free choice?

 

[Glaucus]

Of course you have a choice, especially as you aren't doused in petrol and no concrete proof.it all comes back to freedom of choice is not the same as freedom of consquences. Same in the freedom of speech threads.

 

[robgmun]

sorry but god made the system of


You have free will ok

And here's your choice


Do as i say live for eternity in happiness and joy


Don't do as i say and i will brutally torture you for all time.


Remember now This is freewill and your choice!




Not really a choice is it and as god set the system up he is to blame.


he could have set it up as

Do as i say live in my paradise wit my rules and like minded people forever


Don't do as i say and live in your own paradise where you guys make the rules.

That would be a choice.


this is just a threat from a thug.

Rubbish

It's "Be excellent to each other and remember to say thank you to the one that actually made your ass"

Or

"Be ****ty to each other and cause the world misery and i'll give you a spanking of your eternal life"

Yeah he gave us free will, but that's only a test to see if we're mature enough to handle it.

 

[Tefal]

Of course you have a choice, especially as you aren't doused in petrol and no concrete proof.

For the premise of the thread we're assuming it's true though otherwise it's pointless surely?

 

[Tefal]

Rubbish

It's "Be excellent to each other and remember to say thank you to the one that actually made your ass"

Or

"Be ****ty to each other and cause the world misery and i'll give you a spanking of your eternal life"

Yeah he gave us free will, but that's only a test to see if we're mature enough to handle it.

Not really.

Can you tell me the first commandment?


Cause that ****'s a large majority of perfectly good and decent people.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Oh goody, another religious thread.



I'll be over there ->

 

[ntg]

As the majority of posters here seem to be athiests (non-theists) I do feel I should mention the importance of elasticity and transparent thinking when communicating with others that may/may not be religious. The world will work well regardless of religion, as stateside law assures safety (to a reasonable extent) all we can gain from these religions (beside a third person observation of indoctrination and occasional moral hypocracy) is the foundation of our society today.

You cannot have a world without religion. Even if you eliminate all current religions people will find something else to believe in heart and soul (pun intended). Just look at some extremes that come animal-lovers or green-energy-lovers or money-lovers go to (I'm not against either but it's indicative of how passionate people can get about something, just like religion). Religion is just a manifestation of the human collective behaviour.

 

[Castiel]

Not really.

Can you tell me the first commandment?


Cause that ****'s a large majority of perfectly good and decent people.

'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

How does that affect the majority of people?

 

[Glaucus]

How is your scenario the same? Many people accept it is true, yet they never have petrol poured over them and never have the fear.

Freedom of choice is not freedom from consequences. You are still free to choose.

 

[Tefal]

'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

How does that affect the majority of people?

Because the majority of the people on the planet arn't Christian?

How is your scenario the same? Many people accept it is true, yet they never have petrol poured over them and never have the fear.

You're being told (if you believe) to do as he says or you will be killed in a lake of fire.


If you like I'll change it to do as i say or after a set time limit you'll be thrown in a lake of fire?

that better?

Freedom of choice is not freedom from consequences. You are still free to choose.

Try that defence in a court if you threat/coerce someone with threats of violence.

 

[Glaucus]

And your point? You still have freedom of choice.