idiot american missionary killed by natives

It's not just the dead American, but ANY task force that is deployed, could potentially bring a killer virus with them. And then there's the issue of where any remains or body is located, as well as whether it can be retrieved without use of force or further contact with the tribe. And if force is required, which country will be crazy enough to try and authorise such use of clearly overwhelming force against a tribe that could be wiped out from such use of force when the deployed task force needs to defend themselves? Especially since it's the American who decided willingly to enter a no go zone.

There's a lot of egg shells to tip toe over there. Both Foreign and Domestic I gather for any country contemplating anything other than just leaving the body there.
 
Steveocee said:
Trump will end up going to war with them because of this. Shame they don't have twitter to respond to whatever moronic thing he puts up about this....
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Hell no, President Trump would love them, they would vote for President Trump if they could, they share the same values, controlled immigration, clearly, these people don't want you people in their country.

They pretty much have their own virtual wall around their Island.
 
dowie said:
Those are some dubious comparisons, there is something particularly special about trying to approach people who have already shot at you with arrows.... the level of risk being taken isn't even comparable.
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I'm not saying they are comparable but it isn't just religion where there seems to be a disconnect in the thinking of some people when it comes to cause and effect.
 
So, his last written journal detailing his experience and thoughts was apparently dated on the 16th. So that's already a week ago since he wrote that. Not sure what the weather is like, but being an island, and surrounded by salt water I gather, I'm going to guess there's not much to reclaim soon if it's not already been handled another way by the tribesmen. Seen enough of those US criminal investitagion shows to know those are not good combinations to getting a "body" back that is recognisable. Better to simply leave it be.
 
The guy was an idiot and while I wouldn’t say he got his just desserts there’s a nice irony there... Maybe it’ll persuade more missionaries not to try and convert people, which is always a good thing.

Spuj said:
Is there anything stopping me selling everything I own, buying my own remote island somewhere, creating the tribe of Spuj and attacking anyone that comes near it?
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Probably 20,000 years of history.
 
dowie said:
In the past when they've fought off people trying to make contact the females have come out of the woods afterwards and they have a big mating celebration on the beach....

I do think it is perhaps sensible to leave these guys alone for the moment, they're instinctively hostile to strangers and it would likely do much more harm than good to make contact.

There are other tribes in the region with barely any contact and of course in Brazil, I do think that efforts probably should be made to contact them - currently there is a road that goes through one tribal area in India and strict rules on the use of it, like no cameras, no stopping etc.. but some tourists bribe locals and get themselves onto a private trip where they can stop and meet a tribe with barely any contact with the outside world. I think in these cases where there is a danger of exploitation, transfer of disease (similar too in Brazil where there is danger of disease and indeed death from encounters with logging companies) there is perhaps a need for them to be contacted and integrated into society in some way partly in order to protect them and their lands from exploitation... it isn't like a Brazilian tribe with barely any contact can report anything to the authorities if some members are killed by loggers or hunting areas wiped out, nor can they get representation in courts etc... the tribes that do have contact have certain recognised tribal lands etc.. that offer some protection - though with the new President in that country who knows what might happen there.
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You’re making the assumption that the local authorities would be willing to help. With Brazil in particular the illegal raiding/hunting and logging are usually done with the covert support of the local authorities and/or police/civil units.

That’s the unfortunate situation, the best defence seems to be to attack anyone that comes near them and hope they aren’t armed to the teeth. Or even better, live far enough from a road/community that people haven’t reached that area yet.
 
Nasher said:
If you look at the islands on google maps, most of them have a few roads and small towns on them, even hotels.

But some look completely un-explored, no markers on the map or anything. It would be interesting to look around. They are probably some of the only truly wild places left.
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Will be completely destroyed by encroaching waters and unimaginably strong typhoons, so you're running out of time for that.
 
Smokey Deza said:
Nah, once they figure out what it does they'll just lodge a coconut down the gun barrel.
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That wouldn't stop it firing and I'm sure they wouldn't work it out. They would run away in fear the moment they saw/heard it

I can only imagine the stories they have created about helicopters
 
Meddling-Monk said:
In the end though, especially in a non dangerous situation like that, you wouldn't be able to attack them anyway, but you'd need to move the tank out at some point after. So it would still be a retreat to the natives. Doesn't serve any point there really. And if the tank runs any of them over, I'm sure there'll be hell to pay from all corners of the civilised world over such an incident.
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Just say it was an accident
 
azazl187 said:
That wouldn't stop it firing and I'm sure they wouldn't work it out. They would run away in fear the moment they saw/heard it
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As would anyone else amoungst us up against something they've never encountered before. Some, just like everyone else, will not fear that though and still engage, just like the natives with the helicopter. So what exactly is the purpose of sending in a tank to frighten them again?

azazl187 said:
Just say it was an accident
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Maybe I'm reading it wrong. But it almost sounds like you just want to hurt them or provoke them into a last stand by having deployed assets "defend" themselves by killing an enemy you forced into a fight. Which sounds like Murder to me. And I'm fairly certain there's no unit, civilian or military, from any country in the world who'll do something like that. It's political suicide and likely will incurr the wrath of countries who will hunt you down for such an act.
 
h4rm0ny said:
The Jehovah's Witnesses stopped coming to me. I politely heard them out, watched their video. And now they avoid my house. I don't know what I did.
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We've had threads here before where it seems some people aren't able to open door > say no > close door.
A bit like threads where people come in just to say they don't care or people who moan about TV programs because they don't know how to use a remote.
Strange world we live in.
 
Its all OK, the tribe have been 'forgiven' by the family.

Made to make you think that they have sinned in the first place.
 
Amp34 said:
You’re making the assumption that the local authorities would be willing to help. With Brazil in particular the illegal raiding/hunting and logging are usually done with the covert support of the local authorities and/or police/civil units.

That’s the unfortunate situation, the best defence seems to be to attack anyone that comes near them and hope they aren’t armed to the teeth. Or even better, live far enough from a road/community that people haven’t reached that area yet.
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No I’m just saying that they currently don’t have the ability to fight for their rights etc... whether police etc.. are corrupt etc.. doesn’t mean there is nothing to be gained from having say communication with others, ability to keep campaigners, people who might fight for them in courts or raise awareness internationally informed.

They’re quite likely to get shot if they attack loggers, especially ones operating illegaly.
 
nkata said:
Its all OK, the tribe have been 'forgiven' by the family.

Made to make you think that they have sinned in the first place.
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It has nothing to do with 'sin', and everything to do with the fact that they murdered an innocent man. The family has every right to talk about forgiveness.
 
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