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Idiot girl who fled to Syria wants to come back
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Ok, I'll indulge you.
I'd usually consider lethal force a last resort, although I appreciate that in certain circumstances, such as a warzone, lethal force is necessary. It can certainly be justified when the death of an enemy combatant saves the lives of civilians and/or allied service personnel.
State execution is different, in that the perpetrator is usually in custody and has gone through a process of trial and sentencing. As I said in my edit above, I believe life imprisonment without the chance parole is a better (worse?) punishment than being put to death.
Drone strikes tend to be undertaken as part of a military operation, not as a result of a criminal trial. Unless you're Kim Jong-un, you aren't going to execute people using high explosives.
So to return to your Nuremberg trials comment — if Göring had been killed in action, it would be different to him being captured and sentenced to death, especially as the trials took place after the war had ended. The fact that he committed suicide makes it a moot point, but you get the idea.
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I heard about this, there is no way we should allow this terrorist idiot back in.
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She cannot be made Stateless. The only person I know who was in a position was somebody who left the country and the country was disolved and as such had no valid passport. It was made into a film. If she is British she has a right to return to this country. Her main aim in wanting to return is that she has lost two babes and wants her third child to be looked after by the NHS
On the flip side she does not seem to have had any remorse in what she has done or that the group she went to she still seems to support or not condemn. What she did was illegal. . Her age when she went was 15 and not an adult.
It is a conumdrum. When she comes back she will be charged and probably imprisoned and put through a deradicalisation process. One of the things not mentioned is she has been married to a Dutch man out there but even then if she was 15 such a marriage would be illegal. The young child, if successfully delivered, would be another consideration.
On the flip side she does not seem to have had any remorse in what she has done or that the group she went to she still seems to support or not condemn. What she did was illegal. . Her age when she went was 15 and not an adult.
It is a conumdrum. When she comes back she will be charged and probably imprisoned and put through a deradicalisation process. One of the things not mentioned is she has been married to a Dutch man out there but even then if she was 15 such a marriage would be illegal. The young child, if successfully delivered, would be another consideration.
So apparently they aren't going to lift a finger while she is in Syria. She has to go to Iraq or Turkey and ask the embassies there for help. Good luck crossing those boarders now lol
It's got the makings of a BBC drama that ends on the note of we should have helped.
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I must admit my initial feeling was essentially to leave her to rot but the more Ive listened and read I think the right thing would be allow her to return. She should be offered zero assistance by authorities to return but once back interogate/interviewed and prosecuted to the fullest extent of what the law allows. She was a child that was effectively groomed online by handlers. Had she been an adult at that time my thoughts would be quite different. The lack of remorse from the Times interview however is disturbing.
See, I feel that way too. But It's not like she's just left and saw it was bad and came back right away. She had been there for several years and is only really coming back because she had 2 failed births. If she didn't have this new child, she wouldn't want to come back.
They may have been children in the eyes of the law but they knew damn well what they were doing and what kind of organisation IS was.
I think I posted something similar on the first page, although not as eloquent or thought through.
However, should we expect her to show any remorse? If the view is taken that she's been radicalised as a child and made the decision to travel, she's spent the last 3 or 4 years living in a far more intense radicalised environment. Given that, why should we expect her to suddenly 'see the light' and show remorse and if so based on what?
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If, as you say, she was groomed that raises another problem. Would you prosecute a person who was a child and had been groomed by a pedophile? If she has been groomed is she still brainwashed like some of these people who have been in cults?
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If it's her child sake that she wants to return home for then arrange for her child to be brought to the UK and find a foster home for baby and leave her there. At least that way the kid can be brought up to be a normal member of society and the police don't have to constantly monitor them for extremist behavior
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Govt just announced she will be allowed to return. No surprised as she cannot be made Stateless.
Straight to jail, or we will live to regret it.
I bet we will be seeing her name in an attack within 18 months.
why should we have to pay for it?
chances of her being a brainwashed Islamic fanatic? I'm guessing pretty high
Hopefully the government makes her family pay for her stupidity but no doubt us tax payers are happy to set her up with a house/flat, give her a nice cash gift to buy everything she needs etc.
great....
any media/tv shows that pay for her interviews/story is a horrific disgusting organisation
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There is a rub, she has to travel to Turkey or Iraq and make her way to a British Consulate before even being considered for re-repatriation. The challenge will be explaining to these countries where she has been and what's she's been upto as they arrest terrorists upon entry.
The unborn child does need support the mother not so much.
Yep but like I said earlier, they aren't going to risk going in to Syria to evac her. She has to get out by herself and that won't be easy.
Known ISIS supporter with her face plastered all over the news...no chance. She'll get thrown in jail by one of the middle eastern states (or worse) as soon as she tries to cross a border. They are not as sympathetic as the UK considering 99% of the people ISIS killed were their citizens.
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Yeah, she should have to face the full extent of the charges & if deemed a high risk individual (terrorist activities or extreme radicalization) remain in prison until otherwise.
Not a single thing she's said sadly indicate that she doesn't think gay people should be executed, that non believers should be murdered, that the west needs to be destroyed from the inside out. She simply wants to use the NHS now reality has hit home to her situation. I see zero remorse, no admittance of wrongdoing or even a basic rejection of the ideology she's been part of.
Not a single thing she's said sadly indicate that she doesn't think gay people should be executed, that non believers should be murdered, that the west needs to be destroyed from the inside out. She simply wants to use the NHS now reality has hit home to her situation. I see zero remorse, no admittance of wrongdoing or even a basic rejection of the ideology she's been part of.
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