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GIBURROWS said:
Where's your outrage when they invaded in 2008 or when they invaded Georgia, if its about people dying where's your outrage in Africa or the middle east, you guys are just sheep to the current thing.
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Oh here we go, down the list we goooo.

"Current Thing"
Just another thing your parroting.
What you gonna say next?
Russia Russia Russia?



We were all outraged, the world isn't perfect we should have intervened as we were meant too the first time Russia aggressed Ukraine obviously that did not happen.

Look I do apologise I'm not trying to be rude, but your so transparent and its so predictable at this point.
 
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Allnamestaken said:
Oh here we go, down the list we goooo.

"Current Thing"
Just another thing your parroting.
What you gonna say next?
Russia Russia Russia?


We were all outraged, the world isn't perfect we should have intervened as we were meant too the first time Russia aggressed Ukraine obviously that did not happen.

:D
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Your fake lazy outrage is sickening, if you're so worried and care so much what have you done, squat diddly like the rest, go retweet Greta there's a good little boy/girl/refrigerator
 
Allnamestaken said:
Oh here we go, down the list we goooo.

"Current Thing"
Just another thing your parroting.
What you gonna say next?
Russia Russia Russia?



We were all outraged, the world isn't perfect we should have intervened as we were meant too the first time Russia aggressed Ukraine obviously that did not happen.

Look I do apologise I'm not trying to be rude, but your so transparent and its so predictable at this point.
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I got a im into the next current thing loyalty card.
 
GIBURROWS said:
Your fake lazy outrage is sickening, if you're so worried and care so much what have you done, squat diddly like the rest, go retweet Greta there's a good little boy/girl/refrigerator
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:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Why must it be assumed I follow Greta just because I'm calling you out lmao, it does not even connect.
People don't fit neatly into boxes like that big man.
 
Now I live near what was once the biggest steelworks in Scotland Ravenscraig. There’s bugger all there now other than a housing estate

Given how shoddy the Russians are I’d imagine they still have their 1980s targetting data so I’ll end up toasted

Ruddy useless gits
 
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Now I live near what was once the biggest steelworks in Scotland Ravenscraig. There’s bugger all there now other than a housing estate

Given how shoddy the Russians are I’d imagine they still have their 1980s targetting data so I’ll end up toasted

Ruddy useless gits
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If they saw that place they'd think it has already been hit ;-)
 
GIBURROWS said:
I believe that the US government had biolabs in Ukraine and that's what Putin targeted first, Ukraine are obviously in the pocket of the US government and the UK/EU is going along with it and helping keep the war going.
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I've seen high res satellite images of almost every impact crater, building, vehicle from the first round of strikes and the numbers more or less tie up with Russia's claims - the targets are all things like air bases, S-300 complexes, ammunition storage/arms depots and so on - none of the sites look remotely like a biolab site. Targetting biolabs with the kind of missiles Russia was using would not be a particularly good idea anyhow due to the risk of containment failure, etc.
 
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GIBURROWS said:
I never mentioned Nazis or super gays, strange that you guys go to the extreme and have to make up stuff. The art of discussion is dead.
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It's what Putin said.

And you believe him, so...

Oh wait you don't believe him....

But you believe everything he says...

You are confusing.


Discussing things like the weather is good.
Discussing why Putin is to believed is like saying you believed Hitler when he said it was the Jews.
 
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Rroff said:
I've seen high res satellite images of almost every impact crater, building, vehicle from the first round of strikes and the numbers more or less tie up with Russia's claims - the targets are all things like air bases, S-300 complexes, ammunition storage/arms depots and so on - none of the sites look remotely like a biolab site. Targetting biolabs with the kind of missiles Russia was using would not be a particularly good idea anyhow due to the risk of containment failure, etc.
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Care to share some links?
 
alchal said:
It's what Putin said.

And you believe him, so...

Oh wait you don't believe him....

But you believe everything he says...

You are confusing.


Discussing things like the weather is good.
Discussing why Putin is to believed is like saying you believed Hitler when he said it was the Jews.
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Are you having a breakdown, Hitler honestly? Seems like you're just trying to stop discussion at this point.
 
sigma said:
Take a breath mate.

Does it justify killing civilians and bombing Ukraine's infrastructure? That's a weird way to protect the boundary from NATO.
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Yet another prime example of item number 4 on my list, you just can't make this stuff up :D.

People nowadays just seem so programmed to "react" instantly to buzzwords but they rarely ever actually read and comprehend a whole post first before reacting. It could be that there's too many words to read in one go in these modern "say everything in 280 characters or less" or "a 1 min video is too long" twitter/tiktok times or maybe it's just that reading big words is hard for some, however thats just an opinion. Sadly I don't know what the issue is with the lack of basic reading comprehension nowadays, nor how to fix it but I'm guessing rule number 3 might be incoming next.
 
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Devilman said:
Difficult questions can be welcome, but asking the same dumb question that has been answered 100 times already by multiple different posters does make it get rather tiresome.

Let me spell it out for you clearly one last time.

Independent Nation States request to join NATO, they are not told, forced, or instructed to do so by the US, the UK or anyone else. It is entirely voluntary and plenty of countries are still perfectly happy NOT being a member of NATO.



The reason for this is quite simple. The idea that NATO "backed Russia into a corner" is so utterly flawed and at this point downright ignorant that one has to wonder whether anyone still regurgitating these lines has more than 2 braincells to rub together for warmth.
NATO expanded because other independent nation states requested membership. They CHOSE to. They were not Forced or Told. They were not Invaded.
The ONLY "Hostile Expansion" there has been was Russia invading Crimea in 2014 and now again Invading the rest of Ukraine. This constant "But NATO Made us do it" is just so unbelievably flawed and stupid as an argument that frankly at this stage, all it really warrants is the response it gets.



The discussions have been had and done. long ago.. and many times over. The problem is that certain individuals refuse to actually listen to those discussions.
If they had bothered to actually do so, they would very quickly come to realize, as described above... That NATO Is a Defensive Alliance that people CHOOSE to join.
There was and never has been any "Hostile NATO Expansion".. Only Voluntary NATO Expansion, due to more and more countries wanting the safety and security that being part of a large defensive alliance can offer.(And after what Russia has done with Ukraine now, I suspect even MORE countries)



Arguably at this stage anyone still attempting to paint a picture of Western aggression and Hostile NATO expansion somehow caused Russia to invade an Independent Sovereign Nation and commit War Crimes against civilians is either deliberately trolling, or genuinely believes that Russia is justified in their actions....
Last time I checked, Hitting Hospitals, Malls and Apartment Blocks with Cruise Missiles and your troops raping and executing civilians are not just War Crimes, but pretty ****ing evil.



Whilst I agree that there seems to be far too many occurrences these days of people immediately jumping on the "Oh because you said this, you must also mean that" I feel I need to suggest that is not what was happening here.
The individual in question came in and asked (for the god-knows how many-th time it's been said in this thread) "Does no one think Russia were put into a corner by NATO and US encroachment both disregarding the North Atlantic treaty?"
Now, this has not only been discussed multiple times in the past in the thread and could easily have been searched for the numerous times it's been mentioned, but it has repeatedly in those discussions been wholly dismissed as both factually flawed and frankly stupid.
(see above, It's rather hard to have a "Hostile Expansion" of a defensive alliance that people choose to join of their own free will, If you want to see what Hostile Expansion looks like, just see what Russia is doing to Ukraine right now.)

It is akin to the Bully saying he was made to do it because he felt threatened by all the nerd kids who are just trying to defend each other.

TL;DR At this stage in the discussion any suggestion that NATO cornered Russia into becoming a massive aggressor, which somehow culminated into forcing them to invade a neighboring sovereign nation state and commit countless War Crimes is either Trolling, or Stupid.
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Wow, what a long reply I had to read just to realise by the end that it was all wasted as you've just followed my Rule 4 initially and then you rapidly moved onto Rule 3 and followed it to the letter i.e. decided I was "against" you (rule 4) which then forced you to reply to something that I never said and that you alone have invented/made-up in your own mind (rule 3).

Understandably you're going to react negatively to that - "what, but you said.........." etc - which I understand. So, to prove to you that you've invented something that I have never said, all I ask you to do is please quote from my post - which you can see is unchanged since my first spelling edit 3 minutes after its initial posting, about 35 minutes before your reply - the specific part where I (ianh) said that I believed that "NATO cornered Russia" or "its NATO's fault" or mentioned NATO at all in any way, or even just words close to that effect. It'll be very interesting to see what you come up with as, in your own words, you will "spell it out for me clearly one last time" meaning you think you've told me this before which I don't believe you have but I could be wrong.

As an aside, I do get genuinely curious at how "reality" for some people is vastly different than for others. In my "reality" I made a post telling GIBBURROWS why asking a difficult question is a bad idea and then showed them the reasons why I thought it was bad idea and in my post I have never once mentioned NATO, never once mentioned if Russia was right/wrong and never once gave my own opinion on the entire NATO/Russia situation. Yet to others, despite reading those same exact words, in a post where I never once mentioned NATO, never once mentioned if Russia was right/wrong and never once gave my own opinion on the entire situation, in their reality I have definitely done all three of those things and what they believe to their core is that the opinion I have written down in that post is that NATO has in fact cornered Russia (or something similar) and therefore they have to tell me why I'm wrong - the split between each version of "reality" really is interesting which is why I await your reply with my quoted words thrown back in face with baited breath. :)

Edited for spelling mostly, really need a spellchecker app!
 
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Broski, no one really wants to read your deep mind analysis on everyone according to Ian’s rule book . It’s like dragon ball z power monologue.

Every other post, preemptively talking about how people will react or have reacted.

It’s becoming almost as bad as Chris posting about immigrants in literally every thread lmao.
 
Allnamestaken said:
Broski, no one really wants to read your deep mind analysis on everyone according to Ian’s rule book . It’s like dragon ball z power monologue.

Every other post, preemptively talking about how people will react or have reacted.

It’s becoming almost as bad as Chris posting about immigrants in literally every thread lmao.
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He sure does waffle on for someone with no opinion on the matter !

Funny how he only sticks up for certain posters and thier opinions as well...

But has zero opinion of course.
GIBURROWS said:
Are you having a breakdown, Hitler honestly? Seems like you're just trying to stop discussion at this point.
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Yes, Hitler.
He was crazy, just like your genocidal leader now.
 
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