If you were Merc negotiating Hamilton's next contract

[Junglist]

Russell has also tested with Mercedes and been on par with both Bottas and Hamilton when he’s been measured against them.

Oh there is a reason Williams are not willing to let go of him easily, he's a proven talent.

The team knows him and knows his level of feedback. It speaks volumes that they wanted George rather than Stoffel. It was a test of sorts and George scored A+ IMO. Without the rear slow puncture he’d still have won the race. He was catching Perez at seconds per lap.

I too would've opted for George if given the chance. He's actively racing in the sport opposed to FE and has done several tests. He knows the car better than most.

While I'm 99% convinced George has a higher ceiling than Bottas if I'm trying to remain objective his performance at that race was fantastic but it's not really representative of other circuits. If it was on something like Suzuka, Singapore/Monaco or Hungary (rubbish overtake opportunities aside) I think it would've looked much better for him than it would performing on a dented oval. [/quote]

 

[Junglist]

Next you will be saying that Leclerc isn't that good.
Or what about Max when he first came in?

Your just against anyone taking over from Hamilton.

What on earth are you on about? Why would I a) be talking about Charles or Max in a thread about Lewis (you know, the same thing you accused me of when you wanted to bring up Bottas being forced to move over) or B) think that neither Max or Charles are anything but exceptional drivers?

You need to explain how you came to your ridiculous conclusion as I never mentioned either of those drivers. What is your point about when Max came in?

Why would I be against anyone overtaking Hamilton, what does that even mean?

I don't understand you, it's like you just enjoy spouting out nonsense and then you can't even take the time to back up your point you just make more ridiculous statements plucked from your rear end.

 

[deuse]

What on earth are you on about? Why would I a) be talking about Charles or Max in a thread about Lewis (you know, the same thing you accused me of when you wanted to bring up Bottas being forced to move over) or B) think that neither Max or Charles are anything but exceptional drivers?

You need to explain how you came to your ridiculous conclusion as I never mentioned either of those drivers. What is your point about when Max came in?

Why would I be against anyone overtaking Hamilton, what does that even mean?

I don't understand you, it's like you just enjoy spouting out nonsense and then you can't even take the time to back up your point you just make more ridiculous statements plucked from your rear end.

Your saying that Russell is not good enough only because he can take over from Hamilton and no other reason.
Your hamilton mad.

Wolf has already said that he is great and is leading Williams.
So I will take the word of wolf over your feelings about Russell.

My point about the other drivers is that Charles\Max came from no where, but look at them now.

We will see what happens.
In my opinion Hamilton is just after more money,

 

[Junglist]

Your saying that Russell is not good enough only because he can take over from Hamilton and no other reason.
Your hamilton mad.

Where have I said he isn't good enough? I've praised him for his performance in this thread whilst saying it shouldn't be held against him that he's made a few mistakes in only his second season.

What I have said and I stand by that is he doesn't have the experience to lead the team in the same was Lewis does - do you think that is a bizarre statement to make? That someone about to go into their 14th season has less valuable experience than someone about to go into their 3rd.

Wolf has already said that he is great and is leading Williams.
So I will take the word of wolf over your feelings about Russell.

So you can accept when Wolff (Or Lowe, Allison or Brawn) compliments George but you can't do the same if he says how Lewis' experience has helped guide the team and in terms of 2019 specifically it was his feedback which made the engineers go in a different direction to unlock the cars potential?

Leading a backmarker team is a bit different to leading the number one team in the sport, wouldn't you agree?

I mean there is a reason you're just a commentator resident on the OCUK forums and not leading a team as you're making decisions based on emotions. Any person with a shred of objectivity and intelligence would see that what Lewis brings, other than his actual racing, is his experience. Do you not realise how important it is? It's why Aston Martin (wrongly but different thread) signed Vettel, why Alfa continue to sign Raikonnen and it's why Alpine have signed Alonso.

My point about the other drivers is that Charles\Max came from no where, but look at them now.

See bellow

I never knew this was a Bottas* thread...oh that's right...it's not.

We will see what happens.
In my opinion Hamilton is just after more money,

In my opinion he is after things other than money. I guess we will find out in due course.

 

[deuse]

Where have I said he isn't good enough? I've praised him for his performance in this thread whilst saying it shouldn't be held against him that he's made a few mistakes in only his second season.

What I have said and I stand by that is he doesn't have the experience to lead the team in the same was Lewis does - do you think that is a bizarre statement to make? That someone about to go into their 14th season has less valuable experience than someone about to go into their 3rd.



So you can accept when Wolff (Or Lowe, Allison or Brawn) compliments George but you can't do the same if he says how Lewis' experience has helped guide the team and in terms of 2019 specifically it was his feedback which made the engineers go in a different direction to unlock the cars potential?

Leading a backmarker team is a bit different to leading the number one team in the sport, wouldn't you agree?

I mean there is a reason you're just a commentator resident on the OCUK forums and not leading a team as you're making decisions based on emotions. Any person with a shred of objectivity and intelligence would see that what Lewis brings, other than his actual racing, is his experience. Do you not realise how important it is? It's why Aston Martin (wrongly but different thread) signed Vettel, why Alfa continue to sign Raikonnen and it's why Alpine have signed Alonso.






See bellow




In my opinion he is after things other than money. I guess we will find out in due course.

I give up.

The thread is all yours Lewis.

 

[Greboth]

It's funny how Hamilton seems to be the one at the centre of all these things; Drivers should race for the pleasure of racing and not for money, UK born people should pay more tax, sports personalities shouldn't receive knighthoods etc. yet let's not apply the same metrics and criticisms at all the other drivers, tax exiles, sports people. Before anyone gets the wrong end of the stick, I'm not saying it's a race issue (though it probably is for a minority), I think Hamilton gets picked on due his status of GOAT* and some people think he's a dick.

There's a sound argument to be made that ALL drivers are overpaid but to specifically claim Hamilton is overpaid is rubbish. There is a limit to what the market will hold and if Hamilton pushes passed that then he will have to decide between less pay and more titles. But that's exactly what a negotiation is about.

* From a stats point of view even if you don't personally think he is.

 

[Bald-Eagle22]

How this tax dodging , self centred , talentless idiot can demand this sort of money is beyond me.He’s been gifted 6 world championships in a car that dominates and will do this coming season .

If I was Hamilton and wanted to go down in infamy with 8 championships I’d shut the hell up and do it for free, it’s literally a garunteed win again this year .

What’ he’s demanding when Mercedes is struggling commercially shows his true colours .

If I was sitting at a seat on the board in Stuttgart I’d sack the stool pigeon ( Bottas ) , tell Hamilton to take a hike and let Russell and maybe another youngster in the team - Gasly maybe ?

 

[JRS]

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A well thought out and entirely sensible post.

...

No, wait, sorry. The other one.

I mean...tax dodging, he lives in Monaco, plenty of other drivers went that way before, you wanna rage at someone rage at the government for not reforming the tax system. Self centred...I don't know him that well, so...*shrug*.

Talentless?

Talentless???

Have a word with yourself

 

[Ninco!]

Bald I think you are being deliberately antagonistic. Why are you watching F1 or if you don't, why are you posting in an enthusiasts sub forum if you have such belittling toxic views?

Anyway. I will be surprised if its a 3 year deal. 2022 is an uncertain. I don't think Hamilton is scared of the fight and losing the WDC on merit. If being revered for losing a championship against strong competition (ala Alonso) there is no damage to his legacy. Whereas losing because you have no chance e.g. 12th place etc.

Hamilton with his pledge to make things better, signs for a £50m contract - just wait for the fallout, the guy cant win. I won't be surprised if Hamilton accepts/gets a pay cut and shorter contract. I really want to see Russell in a top flight car to continue the UK legacy for this decade, if only there was a Cevert / Stewart handover relationship between the pair...

 

[CaptainRAVE]

Want an 8th championship? Cool, stay with us, we’ll pay you the same as before maximum.

 

[Bald-Eagle22]

A well thought out and entirely sensible post.

...

No, wait, sorry. The other one.

I mean...tax dodging, he lives in Monaco, plenty of other drivers went that way before, you wanna rage at someone rage at the government for not reforming the tax system. Self centred...I don't know him that well, so...*shrug*.

Talentless?

Talentless???

Have a word with yourself

I have , live in Monaco and play the system by all means but if you want to be tax efficient don’t come and accept a Knighthood . Oh and please this was driven by him and his PR team . BTW I put Stewart in the same boat.

Hybrid era has gifted him 6 world Championships and the other in that era was won by his team mate Nico ( a better driver by miles ), Bottas is about as talented as Coco the clown and GR made them look like a pair of idiots. I also have my suspicions about the tyre swap at Sakir.

Mercedes , do yourself a favour. Drop this fool like a hot potato.

 

[MissChief]

I have , live in Monaco and play the system by all means but if you want to be tax efficient don’t come and accept a Knighthood . Oh and please this was driven by him and his PR team .

Hybrid era has gifted him 6 world Championships and the other in that era was won by his team mate Nico ( a better driver by miles ), Bottas is about as talented as Coco the clown and GR made them look like a pair of idiots. I also have my suspicions about the tyre swap at Sakir.

Mercedes , do yourself a favour. Drop this fool like a hot potato.

Troll post surely. Did Lewis run over your cat or something?

 

[Bald-Eagle22]

Bald I think you are being deliberately antagonistic. Why are you watching F1 or if you don't, why are you posting in an enthusiasts sub forum if you have such belittling toxic views?

Anyway. I will be surprised if its a 3 year deal. 2022 is an uncertain. I don't think Hamilton is scared of the fight and losing the WDC on merit. If being revered for losing a championship against strong competition (ala Alonso) there is no damage to his legacy. Whereas losing because you have no chance e.g. 12th place etc.

Hamilton with his pledge to make things better, signs for a £50m contract - just wait for the fallout, the guy cant win. I won't be surprised if Hamilton accepts/gets a pay cut and shorter contract. I really want to see Russell in a top flight car to continue the UK legacy for this decade, if only there was a Cevert / Stewart handover relationship between the pair...

I’ve watched every race this season , from lights out . It’s become far to political for me before that - something I’m sure Mercedes really don’t like either.

 

[MissChief]

Russell will be in the Mercedes in 2022.

 

[Bald-Eagle22]

Troll post surely. Did Lewis run over your cat or something?

Absolutely not , opinions aside how can anyone deny GR performance? It just made a mockery of both Bottas and Hamilton .

 

[MissChief]

Absolutely not , opinions aside how can anyone deny GR performance? It just made a mockery of both Bottas and Hamilton .

While I most certainly agree George’s performance was great and it did paint Bottas in a very unflattering light, Hamilton has beaten all comers in the same car, except once when Rosberg said it took such a toll on him and his family he opted to retire than do it again. I also don’t agree that Rosberg is a better driver either, many times Nico resorted to underhand tactics, squeezing Hamilton or making sure that Hamilton either had to back out or suffer damage, often taking them both out. To say Hamilton is talentless is demonstrably incorrect.

 

[Bald-Eagle22]

While I most certainly agree George’s performance was great and it did paint Bottas in a very unflattering light, Hamilton has beaten all comers in the same car, except once when Rosberg said it took such a toll on him and his family he opted to retire than do it again. I also don’t agree that Rosberg is a better driver either, many times Nico resorted to underhand tactics, squeezing Hamilton or making sure that Hamilton either had to back out or suffer damage, often taking them both out. To say Hamilton is talentless is demonstrably incorrect.

Race-craft , no different to , Seb or Prost or Schuie in the past .

What would have happened if Mercedes put Max or Alonso in Bottas’s seat in 2017 , do you think Lewis would have won three more titles? Absolutely no way would he , Bottas has been the patsy/ stool pigeon to Lewis and gifted him 3 world Championships in a car that has totally dominated F1 since 2014 .

Mercedes can do themselves a real favour here and drop him .

 

[MissChief]

Race-craft , no different to , Seb or Prost or Schuie in the past .

What would have happened if Mercedes put Max or Alonso in Bottas’s seat in 2017 , do you think Lewis would have won three more titles? Absolutely no way would he , Bottas has been the patsy/ stool pigeon to Lewis and gifted him 3 world Championships in a car that has totally dominated F1 since 2014 .

Mercedes can do themselves a real favour here and drop him .

I think he would have held his own. He won against Rosberg who you claim is a better driver, more than he lost. Except once.

I also disagree about totally dominated. It hasn’t always been the fastest or best car. The 2019 Ferrari was at least a match.

 

[Bald-Eagle22]

I think he would have held his own. He won against Rosberg who you claim is a better driver, more than he lost. Except once.

I also disagree about totally dominated. It hasn’t always been the fastest or best car. The 2019 Ferrari was at least a match.

Not sure the Ferrari was , top line speed for sure but it wasn’t the complete package, I’d put that down to Leclercs inexperience that they didn’t do any better , Seb can’t drive a Hybrid car for toffee.

I think Nicos nerve went in the end but I think he was a better driver , if I remember correctly they had equal mechanicals that year .

Anyhow please Mercedes don’t give into him , give someone else a go - please .

 

[Junglist]

Race-craft , no different to , Seb or Prost or Schuie in the past .

What would have happened if Mercedes put Max or Alonso in Bottas’s seat in 2017 , do you think Lewis would have won three more titles? Absolutely no way would he , Bottas has been the patsy/ stool pigeon to Lewis and gifted him 3 world Championships in a car that has totally dominated F1 since 2014 .

Mercedes can do themselves a real favour here and drop him .

Then max should've signed in 2017 when Mercedes tried to sign him. Instead he opted to stay at Red Bull where the team would be built around him (no bad idea)

how you can say Rosberg was the better driver when he consistently beaten by Hamilton in every conceivable metric is amusing. He literally had to put it all on the line to the point of retiring, had to have all his stars align and still require Hamilton to have more mechanical issues during the year and despite all of that he won the WDC despite winning less races and only having a lead of 5 points.
You've got to really dislike Hamilton and be equal to Simone biles in mental gymnastics so believe what you just said