Indian Grand Prix 2013, New Delhi - Race 16/19
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Even Newey said it was the tire change to 2012 spec that made the car so fast.
Please FIA\Bernie give the car back to the drivers this alone would reduce costs.
I would be amazed if there is 10% difference between the top 10 non pay drivers in f1. If 10% of a lap time comes down to which driver is in the car then the drivers have much more input than I ever thought
The real heroes are the people who design and build these cars to be so fast and reliable but there's little story in that and F1 requires these 'personalities'.
It probably is a lot down to the car...but every past world champion of recent years at least, has had the best car on the grid, so it's stupid to argue he isn't talented.
People belittling Vettels triumphs are also belittling Alonso's, Button's, Schumachers etc. They had the best car when they won it.
Kim and Lewis did not have the best car when they won the WDC, vimto never had the best car in 2010.
I'm aware, hence why I didn't mention those two. They're both undoubtedly highly talented boys and both championships were settled on just hairs.
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Look, whatever else we may disagree on, we can all at least agree that yesterday one of the most talented F1 drivers of the modern era clinched his title with a dominating victory.
That could be argued forever, same for Button. He never had the fastest car for the longest portion of the season. Red Bull did, so some could argue he never won in the best car. Or Alonso when he beat kimi he didn't have the fastest car, kimi's was. Only kimi had terrible reliability.
As I said you could argue this forever, god knows how anyone could say for instance Vettel didn't have the best car in 2010. Hell had Red Bull wished they could have had Webber win the title. Red Bull where 1st in the constructors and 1st and 3rd in the drivers. Alonso was second best in the drivers and Mclaren 2nd in the constructors. Vettel most certainly had the best car, like most recent world champions he just made a meal out of his first title, as did Lewis, Kimi, JV, Hill, Mika, Button and MS.
Even though the cars have always been great for him, the fact he's won 4 times in a row shows he has some talent. Not all drivers would have done the same. Obviously Hamilton, Alonso and Kimi would have also won 4 in a row with that car, but a lot of others are debatable. Would Button and Rosberg have managed it for example? I'm not so sure.
Not just that but the RB6 wasn't as dominating as the RB9 has been (especially in the second half of this season)...
Talented guy indeed.
I think you meant "boring" victory 
(No disrespect meant to RBR)
REALLY hoping next year Ferrari , McLaren and perhaps Lotus can all get their fingers out of the *** and build a decent car from the get go and then we may get some interesting races (well I suppose its actually this year as their designs will already be in the works in some ways)
(No disrespect meant to RBR)REALLY hoping next year Ferrari , McLaren and perhaps Lotus can all get their fingers out of the *** and build a decent car from the get go and then we may get some interesting races (well I suppose its actually this year as their designs will already be in the works in some ways)
I think you meant "boring" victory
REALLY hoping next year Ferrari , McLaren and perhaps Lotus can all get their fingers out of the *** and build a decent car from the get go and then we may get some interesting races (well I suppose its actually this year as their designs will already be in the works in some ways)
I'm massively looking forward to next year. Can't wait!
I think the racing is going to be much more exciting as the regs are changing radically yet in season testing is still very limited, so that means the teams won't fully know or understand their cars until the first race and first few races at that. I'm expecting mixed up grids and mixed up results compared to the past 4 or so years.
Really hoping Mclaren win the WCC and Jenson wins the WDC next year.
In fairness, this year, Ferrari and Lotus both had better cars (with respect to the tyres), than RBR. They were beating RBR. Then Pirelli had to bow to pressure to make the tyres more durable (for "safety" reasons). Once these new tyres were introduced, RBR tore the opposition apart.
Ferrari and Lotus, both did a better job over the Winter, as they designed their car (by luck or by on purpose), for fragile tyres.
Ferrari and Lotus, both did a better job over the Winter, as they designed their car (by luck or by on purpose), for fragile tyres.
Yeah I did think it was really unfortunate for Lotus especially (the car is just better than the Ferrari), they're still up there getting podiums, the car is brilliant especially in race trim. Had the 2012 construction tyres not been introduced I don't think it would have been so easy for RBR.
Alonso really needs to sort his qualifying out next year, he's gradually got worse and worse in the second half of this season especially.
Alonso really needs to sort his qualifying out next year, he's gradually got worse and worse in the second half of this season especially.
The most risk averse team on the grid who won't say "boo, to a goose" - to create a super fast car, when new regs are introduced?
Possible.
But very unlikely.
Over the last few years, it has been proven that you need a top line driver to win the title. Button is past his best and they don't have a top line driver. Unless they produce a car which is at least 0.5s/lap faster than everybody else, they have no chance of winning the title with their current drivers. Remember, they had the (joint) fastest car in 2012 and got beaten by Alonso and Kimi, who drove slower cars.
If McLaren (management) had any balls, they'd have hired Alonso, once Kimi signed for Ferrari. Make him the highest paid driver in F1, give him whatever he wants and tell him that they are putting a lot on the line by hiring him. Make sure he knows that he MUST perform and show that he is the best in the World. Alonso gets to choose his No.2. No ifs or buts. Both championships to be won by year 3. Unfortunately, this would mean that they would step on Ferrari's toes...and we can't have that. Too risky.
McLaren are a juggernaut.
Huge resources.
A factory which is awe-inspiring.
Great employees.
McLaren can beat great, again.
But the current management are so scared of taking risks, it begs belief.
This is F1 for crying out loud. As Sparky said earlier in this thread, you need to run your car on the edge. Doing this is risky as your car may break, but risk taking is what gets you to the top.
Some people say that the driver contributes very little. I disagree. The driver is one of the most important factors when it comes to winning a race. If Vettel didnt exist, Webber would not have won any of the titles. Vettel made the difference in the last 4 years. A top driver is needed to win a title, these days.
Yep.
He is still 2nd in the championship.
Though my gut feeling is that his confidence and drive is gradually being worn down.
There is only so many times that you can keep geting beaten and still keep getting up for more. Especially when everybody around you is telling you that you are the best. Well, if he is the best, why is it some German guy who wins everything.
It must demoralising.
and maybe the odds of that happening are no higher than 200-1 (JB's odds of winning the 2009 F1 Championship)
