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If you seriously think that a pharmaceutical company with massive funding and purity standards will produce an inferior drug compared to an illegal lab which likely heavily cuts the drug to increase profit, I don't know what to say.

You obviously have not seen the weed some of these illegal dealers make, they take great care of what they produce and create some quality products. Some of them are run like normal businesses and keep their own standards. Not every dealer is some amateur running an operation from a bedsit and home made equipment.
 
You obviously have not seen the weed some of these illegal dealers make, they take great care of what they produce and create some quality products. Some of them are run like normal businesses and keep their own standards. Not every dealer is some amateur running an operation from a bedsit and home made equipment.

Again, however good they are, they literally do not stand a chance against a company like GSK. It is a paraplegic David vs a Goliath on steriods.
 
What if these guys are victims? What if they're doing this to feed their kids as they have no other options? What if it's a one off stupid decision?

They were not victims, they were part of a multi-million dollar drug syndicate, they did not have kids, and they did not have 'no other options.'

They were both bachelors with comfortable lives. Sukumaran worked at the passport office in Sydney. Chan was a supervisor at Eurest, a catering company.
 
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I don't buy my medicine from Boots, I buy them from local chemist which is cheaper.

So why would anyone buy them from Boots when they can buy them off a guy off the street for much cheaper?

The same reason you don't buy a bottle of clear liquid off someone on the street who tells you it's vodka. Legitimate supply means purity is guaranteed by law. In the example of vodka, you're making sure someone's not selling you methanol which can kill you - as has happened in Russia.

This is particularly relevant nowadays e.g. Studies show that street cocaine can be as little as 5% purity even if it contains cocaine and not substitutes (such as mix of benzocaine and caffeine). This is substantially down from 10-12 years ago when 35%+ was common. It's so bad there is evidence that people are purifying their own cocaine with acetone now and consumption of more dangerous designer drugs has increased
 
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The same reason you don't buy a bottle of clear liquid off someone on the street who tells you it's vodka. Legitimate supply means purity is guaranteed by law. In the example of vodka, you're making sure someone's not selling you methanol which can kill you - as has happened in Russia.

This is particularly relevant nowadays e.g. Studies show that street cocaine can be as little as 5% purity even if it contains cocaine and not substitutes (such as mix of benzocaine and caffeine). This is substantially down from 10-12 years ago when 35%+ was common. It's so bad there is evidence that people are purifying their own cocaine with acetone now.

That last sentence - its quite widespread. Unlike some here seem to think, drug users have standards. They don't just shove a load of unknown powder x in a gel cap and take 3 or 4.

Obviously this is not all, but they will use a test kit to test the purity and check it, carefully weigh out a dose according to concentration, as you said some will purify it. Also extremely careful with the frequency of doses.
 
The same reason you don't buy a bottle of clear liquid off someone on the street who tells you it's vodka. Legitimate supply means purity is guaranteed by law. In the example of vodka, you're making sure someone's not selling you methanol which can kill you - as has happened in Russia.

This is particularly relevant nowadays e.g. Studies show that street cocaine can be as little as 5% purity even if it contains cocaine and not substitutes (such as mix of benzocaine and caffeine). This is substantially down from 10-12 years ago when 35%+ was common. It's so bad there is evidence that people are purifying their own cocaine with acetone now and consumption of more dangerous designer drugs has increased

But drug users will still go to a street dealer if its cheaper.
Remember people on drugs are quite dim when they need a fix and they dont have much money
 
But drug users will still go to a street dealer if its cheaper.
Remember people on drugs are quite dim when they need a fix and they dont have much money

Been explained - won't be cheaper - can't compete with large legal pharmaceutical companies and so are priced out as well as illegal
 
Surprise surprise, brutal country enacts brutal punishment.

As far as I understood, part of the decision to refuse clemency in this case is as much political as it is adhering to the letter of the law.
 
Been explained - won't be cheaper - can't compete with large legal pharmaceutical companies and so are priced out as well as illegal

Exactly. If criminals scaled up enough to compete with a licensed factory producing cocaine, mdma or similar, they'd be caught in 5minutes.
 
You obviously have not seen the weed some of these illegal dealers make, they take great care of what they produce and create some quality products. Some of them are run like normal businesses and keep their own standards. Not every dealer is some amateur running an operation from a bedsit and home made equipment.

The cost of hiding from the law is vast. A legitimate drugs company wouldn't have to worry about that.

There is no way that an illegal operation can be cheaper, unless it is offering substandard quality, stealing materials, or avoiding taxes.


Take weed for example:
A sophisticated UK criminal operation might be a warehouse or two with hydroponic growth, the weed would then be processed in-house. A legal operation could choose better and biiger premises, as they won't have to hide their activity. Over time the processing would be outsourced to new specialists, who can do it using specialist machinery at mucher lower prices.

The criminals will distribute through a variety of dealers, who take a cut and pass onto smaller dealers. Theft is a major concern and lots of money is spent of protecting goods and hiding from the law. A legal operation could distribute to shops countrywide, and can purchase insurance to combat the risk of theft, and doesn't have to spend money to hide from the law.

The criminals wouldn't be able to compete, and would go out of business. The government could regulate safety of product. Taxes could be raised from the industry to fund medical care of drug users.

Night, and day.
 
So Boots start knocking out coke for £50 a gram and your local drug dealer just undercuts them. Also, the social stigma of running into your boss in Boots and that awkward moment as you hand over your money for a weekends supply. Most people will always go to the cheapest source.
 
Shoot all drug dealers and drug takers (Class A drugs takers), simple and effective.

Yes, shoot people that take Ecstasy, they do so much harm to society and themselves by taking a drug less harmful than legal drugs like Alcohol and Tobacco... :rolleyes:

While you're at it shoot people with alcohol and tobacco addiction, it'll save lots of money both for the NHS and the police!
 
All for it, no chance of re-offending for this gang, same as these mongrels that head off to join isis and get droned into oblivion, rids society of the people we can do without.
 
That's why(and they cant get the drugs) in Utah they've brought back a firing squad. Other states will follow.

No, the lack of drugs is almost entirely the reason. Most of the cost mentioned above is in appeals and legal costs, the actual execution costs would be minimal...
 
Yes, shoot people that take Ecstasy, they do so much harm to society and themselves by taking a drug less harmful than legal drugs like Alcohol and Tobacco... :rolleyes:

While you're at it shoot people with alcohol and tobacco addiction, it'll save lots of money both for the NHS and the police!

Put that in your manifesto and I'll vote for you !!
 
I'm against the death penalty personally, but its their country, their rules. You don't go into that business without knowing the punishments are severe.

Agreed, I'm against the death penalty but it's hard to feel sorry for anyone involved in the smack business once it's out of the farmer's hands, I certainly feel more sorry for the people of Yemen.
 
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