Indonesia Executions

[Outcast]

Firing Squad is the method I'd choose if on Death Row !

I wonder what the song was they were all singing whilst standing there ?

 

[cheesyboy]

Lol considering I grew up and still live in an area with a big drug problem and have old friends serving time, I'm probably in better position than most. I have no sympathy for drug dealers and gangs, none of them, they choose what they do and they drag others into it like kids, they are some of the scummiest people you will meet.

Best way to get rid of nefarious drug dealers and drug gangs: legalise and legitimise the supply. They wouldn't exist without current laws.

 

[covenantuk]

Whether you agree with the principle or not, it's not plausible that they didn't know the penalty involved in that country if they got caught. Darwin wins.

 

[tbyeah]

Likewise with being shot several times in the chest?

I think he reckons it's the lethal injection part that's expensive, not the process that it takes to get someone executed.

Sorry didn't see the context, thought you were saying it was cheap in essence as the process was unnecessary!

 

[eatcustard]

Would you set the same penalty on a burglar? Someone whose committed identity theft? What about other criminals?

This thread is about killing drug dealers not about other criminals

 

[lemonade]

Best way to get rid of nefarious drug dealers and drug gangs: legalise and legitimise the supply. They wouldn't exist without current laws.

Lol so naive, not only would they still exist you would be effectively be giving them green light to do it. You think by legalising something that the problem goes away? If that is the case we might aswell legalise theft. Not forgetting the whole host of social problems that you would create be bringing dangerous drugs into the mainstream.

I don't know about you but I don't want to live in an area where all of my neighbors are heroin and crystal meth addicts who are paranoid that I am some alien from mars trying to kill them.

 

[cheesyboy]

Lol so naive, not only would they still exist you would be effectively be giving them green light to do it. You think by legalising something that the problem goes away? If that is the case we might aswell legalise theft. Not forgetting the whole host of social problems that you would create be bringing dangerous drugs into the mainstream.

I don't know about you but I don't want to live in an area where all of my neighbors are heroin and crystal meth addicts who are paranoid that I am some alien from mars trying to kill them.

Why would you buy your drugs from a dodgy dealer when you can buy them from Boots?

The government could continue to crack down on illegal drug gangs, if simple competition didn't drive them out. But I don't see that it would be much of an issue - it's not like we have a proliferation of moonshine gangs is it?

 

[eatcustard]

People saying 'their country their rules', do you also think the same thing when Iran/Saudi execute homosexuals, or execute apostates?

I'm against the death penalty for everything except premeditated murder and rape. To me this is bad from a human rights perspective and from an international relations perspective.

It is the law of the land in some countries, so you must abide by them even if they are fubar.

 

[tbyeah]

Lol so naive, not only would they still exist you would be effectively be giving them green light to do it. You think by legalising something that the problem goes away? If that is the case we might aswell legalise theft. Not forgetting the whole host of social problems that you would create be bringing dangerous drugs into the mainstream.

I don't know about you but I don't want to live in an area where all of my neighbors are heroin and crystal meth addicts who are paranoid that I am some alien from mars trying to kill them.

The illegal gangs would go away; their business model wouldn't be viable when a pharmacist can provide the substance legally and efficiently. The drugs would certainly be safer due to regulations on quality, and dosage control.

The only issue would be finding a way of preventing people acquiring too much in the case of addiction. But then, addiction help services would also be more accessible.

 

[JAzz]

Well, you can. Just like you can, and we often do, argue against other human rights abuses in foreign lands.

Simply being a law doesn't make it just.

They committed a crime in foreign lands, they should face foreign punishments not what punishments we see fit.

 

[lemonade]

Why would you buy your drugs from a dodgy dealer when you can buy them from Boots?

The government could continue to crack down on illegal drug gangs, if simple competition didn't drive them out. But I don't see that it would be much of an issue - it's not like we have a proliferation of moonshine gangs is it?

I don't buy my medicine from Boots, I buy them from local chemist which is cheaper.

So why would anyone buy them from Boots when they can buy them off a guy off the street for much cheaper?

and why the hell would anyone want hard drugs even legalised? Would you honestly be happy to have junkies living all around you?

 

[tbyeah]

They committed a crime in foreign lands, they should face foreign punishments not what punishments we see fit.

So a gay man travelling through Saudi Arabia should be executed?

 

[kindai]

Good debate guys.

Without over pondering the methodology it did occur to me, as the news reports have stated all eight were executed "together" but only one squad of twelve (with three "live" bullets between them), there is going to be a delay between each volley while the rifles are re-cocked/re-loaded and fired again. So that means the last person could be stood/sat/knelt there a couple of minutes hearing their fellow prisoners being shot until their turn to go comes. Not good, regardless of the crime.

Lethal injection probably more humane and, in the circumstances, appropriate.

I believe it was 12 shooters per person

 

[tbyeah]

I don't buy my medicine from Boots, I buy them from local chemist which is cheaper.

So why would anyone buy them from Boots when they can buy them off a guy off the street for much cheaper?

and why the hell would anyone want hard drugs even legalised? Would you honestly be happy to have junkies living all around you?

The guy on the street, with an inferior product, small scale operation, and having to hide logistics due to law, will not be cheaper. There will not even be competition there.

As stated, most hard drug users manage just fine. Like many legal drugs, in moderation, they are not particularly harmful (obviously some exceptions).

 

[lemonade]

The illegal gangs would go away; their business model wouldn't be viable when a pharmacist can provide the substance legally and efficiently. The drugs would certainly be safer due to regulations on quality, and dosage control.

The only issue would be finding a way of preventing people acquiring too much in the case of addiction. But then, addiction help services would also be more accessible.

Illegal gangs will not go away. Alcohol is legal, it doesn't stop gangs from importing dodgy alcohol mixed with bleach from abroad. All you will do is send the message out to Los Zetas to come and setup a shop in your local market, then watch a drug war open up when every tom dick and harry wants their share of the pie.

 

[eatcustard]

So a gay man travelling through Saudi Arabia should be executed?

As long has he keeps quite about it, it would not matter, infact why would a gay man want to go into Saudi Arabia in the first place and put himself at risk?

 

[tbyeah]

Illegal gangs will not go away. Alcohol is legal, it doesn't stop gangs from importing dodgy alcohol mixed with bleach from abroad. All you will do is send the message out to Los Zetas to come and setup a shop in your local market, then watch a drug war open up when every tom dick and harry wants their share of the pie.

Illegal alcohol is a non issue compared to how many people suffer due to legal alcohol.

And we are saying regulated drugs being legal, with licences required to sell etc like other drugs. Not a guy on the street can flog some powder from a stall.

 

[lemonade]

The guy on the street, with an inferior product, small scale operation, and having to hide logistics due to law, will not be cheaper. There will not even be competition there.

As stated, most hard drug users manage just fine. Like many legal drugs, in moderation, they are not particularly harmful (obviously some exceptions).

Who says they are inferior products? Nor are they small scale operation, they are very very sophisticated, I know one grocery shop used as a front, they have a very clever setup.

As for class A drugs not being harmful, lol, even class c drugs are dangerous, you guys seriously don't know what you are talking about, come down and live in East London or South London for a week and see the impacts drugs has, you will run a mile within the first minute.

 

[tbyeah]

As long has he keeps quite about it, it would not matter, infact why would a gay man want to go into Saudi Arabia in the first place and put himself at risk?

Perhaps he has family residing there, should a gay man be executed for seeing his family? He should not have to separate his sexuality from himself so that his head doesn't do likewise.

 

[tbyeah]

Who says they are inferior products? Nor are they small scale operation, they are very very sophisticated, I know one grocery shop used as a front, they have a very clever setup.

As for class A drugs not being harmful, lol, even class c drugs are dangerous, you guys seriously don't know what you are talking about, come down and live in East London or South London for a week and see the impacts drugs has, you will run a mile within the first minute.

If you seriously think that a pharmaceutical company with massive funding and purity standards will produce an inferior drug compared to an illegal lab which likely heavily cuts the drug to increase profit, I don't know what to say.

And yes, most drugs used in the correct dosage and not on a very frequent basis will cause little harm.

Arguably, the rise of RCs is a greater danger than drugs. Variants of drugs such as amphetamine (chloroamphetamines an example) are far more neurotoxic, and can be a legal grey area. Their effects may also not be fully known or understood. These arise due to the illegal nature of their similar substances.