Indonesia Executions

Crpwned said:
They don't give the death penalty for drug related offenses in America from what I can find so how is that relevant?
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Who said they did? I was posting to someone who said how much it costs in the USA. Please read the thread next time.
just seen you user name...very apt :)

Basher said:
I believe there was a study in the US that demonstrated is was actually cheaper to keep someone in prison that it was to kill them.
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AGAIN. me and amp34 have already posted that Utah has brought back the firing squad. Please read the thread :)

Oh and before some idiot asks "why a squad" it's so no one knows who had the live round.
 
cheesyboy said:
Others should give a ****. Because the problems of drug users spill over into society at large. Even ignoring the morality of actually giving any kind of a **** about your fellow man.

And how sensible is it for government to have a policy which actually increases harm to its citizens?

Take ecstasy; the drug is practically harmless, if appropriate education is given to its use, but every so often there will be a dodgy batch which kills or seriously injures dozens of users. Government policy should be to reduce harm - but it's their policy of prohibition which introduces the harm. It's nonsense.
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This guy gets it.
 
Sunbed said:
So, shoot a hefty proportion of the student population then? Yeh can't see any problems there.
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So students take class A drugs, (Canabis is not class A, I will add "E" to that list) no wonder so many are dim :eek: :D

After a few executions (people would stop taking them)

It could be live on BBC1at 7pm, maybe a be a programme called "In it to kill it" could run to see who gets to shoot them, now thats worth the licence fee.

Yes I could pull the trigger and kill a drug dealer, no problems with me doing that, if fact you will find plenty of people who would pull the trigger.
 
So much ignorance in this thread. Just because your life is the way it is, doesn't mean that others lead the same life as you.

What if these guys are victims? What if they're doing this to feed their kids as they have no other options? What if it's a one off stupid decision?

All this "they deserve it" is a load of toss from people who have evidently very little life experience other than coming on here and talking about things they know nothing about.
 
eatcustard said:
So students take class A drugs, (Canabis is not class A, I will add "E" to that list) no wonder so many are dim :eek: :D

After a few executions (people would stop taking them)

It could be live on BBC1at 7pm, maybe a be a programme called "In it to kill it" could run to see who gets to shoot them, now thats worth the licence fee.

Yes I could pull the trigger and kill a drug dealer, no problems with me doing that, if fact you will find plenty of people who would pull the trigger.
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Would you set the same penalty on a burglar? Someone whose committed identity theft? What about other criminals?
 
Good point, we might as well go the whole hog and kill pickpockets and people who break speed limits too :rolleyes:
 
I would hazard a guess that drunk drivers kill many more than Class A substances, so they ought to be executed.

(Don't misinterpret me, it is a heinous crime but not deserving of a death penalty)
 
deuse said:
Who said they did? I was posting to someone who said how much it costs in the USA. Please read the thread next time.
just seen you user name...very apt :)



AGAIN. me and amp34 have already posted that Utah has brought back the firing squad. Please read the thread :)

Oh and before some idiot asks "why a squad" it's so no one knows who had the live round.
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It's not the lethal injection that costs money, it's the legal process, all the trials and appeals, that's what costs the money. Not the method....
 
Dunks said:
It's not the lethal injection that costs money, it's the legal process, all the trials and appeals, that's what costs the money. Not the method....
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The method sort of requires a prolonged legal process, seeing as being shot up with a fatal cocktail can't be reversed with a "lol oops youre innocent".
 
cheesyboy said:
Others should give a ****. Because the problems of drug users spill over into society at large. Even ignoring the morality of actually giving any kind of a **** about your fellow man.

And how sensible is it for government to have a policy which actually increases harm to its citizens?

Take ecstasy; the drug is practically harmless, if appropriate education is given to its use, but every so often there will be a dodgy batch which kills or seriously injures dozens of users. Government policy should be to reduce harm - but it's their policy of prohibition which introduces the harm. It's nonsense.
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You say that then you call for less harsh punishment for drug dealers and gangs and want it legalised.

You can't have it both ways. Why should I give a damn about an individual who chooses to take drugs and takes one laced with some chemical. It's a choice they made. It's like asking me to feel sorry for a cigarette smoker.
 
Diddums said:
So much ignorance in this thread. Just because your life is the way it is, doesn't mean that others lead the same life as you.

What if these guys are victims? What if they're doing this to feed their kids as they have no other options? What if it's a one off stupid decision?

All this "they deserve it" is a load of toss from people who have evidently very little life experience other than coming on here and talking about things they know nothing about.
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It's the internet on a computer forum - it is to be expected.

Whilst it is very easy to get excited and angry at people pushing drugs, and things like heroin etc... do a lot of damage to society and it does ruin lives (effectively, taking lives even if people do not die from them) - actually taking people's lives for it is not the right way of dealing with the problem.

Unfortunately what people don't understand is that this sort of behaviour will not stop desperate people from doing crimes, and this unfortunately will end up costing more people's lives, whether innocent or not. It's a pretty sad state of affairs.
 
tbyeah said:
The method sort of requires a prolonged legal process, seeing as being shot up with a fatal cocktail can't be reversed with a "lol oops youre innocent".
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Likewise with being shot several times in the chest?

I think he reckons it's the lethal injection part that's expensive, not the process that it takes to get someone executed.
 
Good debate guys.

Without over pondering the methodology it did occur to me, as the news reports have stated all eight were executed "together" but only one squad of twelve (with three "live" bullets between them), there is going to be a delay between each volley while the rifles are re-cocked/re-loaded and fired again. So that means the last person could be stood/sat/knelt there a couple of minutes hearing their fellow prisoners being shot until their turn to go comes. Not good, regardless of the crime.

Lethal injection probably more humane and, in the circumstances, appropriate.
 
Diddums said:
So much ignorance in this thread. Just because your life is the way it is, doesn't mean that others lead the same life as you.

What if these guys are victims? What if they're doing this to feed their kids as they have no other options? What if it's a one off stupid decision?

All this "they deserve it" is a load of toss from people who have evidently very little life experience other than coming on here and talking about things they know nothing about.
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Lol considering I grew up and still live in an area with a big drug problem and have old friends serving time, I'm probably in better position than most. I have no sympathy for drug dealers and gangs, none of them, they choose what they do and they drag others into it like kids, they are some of the scummiest people you will meet.
 
People saying 'their country their rules', do you also think the same thing when Iran/Saudi execute homosexuals, or execute apostates?

I'm against the death penalty for everything except premeditated murder and rape. To me this is bad from a human rights perspective and from an international relations perspective.
 
deuse said:
AGAIN. me and amp34 have already posted that Utah has brought back the firing squad. Please read the thread :)

Oh and before some idiot asks "why a squad" it's so no one knows who had the live round.
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I did. But it's not really the method that causes the costs, as has been said above ...
 
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