Intel 10th Gen Comet Lake thread

[Vince]

We're a mid-sized employer, tied to Dell, and Dell don't provide AMD machines to business at all. ~6000 employees.

Also (sadly) AMD has a Cyrix-like reputation around here. The perception is that they suck

Yes they don't have an option on the desktop at all. Servers and laptops they do. Hp have a full lineup of AMD and have been pushing it fairly hard. Similar market share to dell. Perception means nothing when the bottom line comes into it you don't have to sell their servers, they sell themselves (within reason of course).

 

[FoxEye]

Yes they don't have an option on the desktop at all. Servers and laptops they do. Hp have a full lineup of AMD and have been pushing it fairly hard. Similar market share to dell. Perception means nothing when the bottom line comes into it you don't have to sell their servers, they sell themselves (within reason of course).

We can't get AMD laptops either. We've asked and been told "no" by our Dell contact.

 

[Vince]

We can't get AMD laptops either. We've asked and been told "no" by our Dell contact.

It's ridiculous, I can log onto their store as a corporate and buy ryzen 4000 laptops on a two day lead. Servers are the same. You think the sales guys might have better bonuses on the Intel kit or something?

I checked last week and you know what I have just noticed they have removed the option for windows 10 pro from the g15.

 

[Grim5]

We're a mid-sized employer, tied to Dell, and Dell don't provide AMD machines to business at all. ~6000 employees.

Also (sadly) AMD has a Cyrix-like reputation around here. The perception is that they suck

in my experience I've found that the larger the business the slower they are to move with technological progress - probably due to the excess costs it creates and risk. Even if AMD is great, replacing 6k'a staff worth of systems and infrastructure is not only expensive but also time consuming and a massive project.

I've worked for large companies that employee many thousands and experienced this issue not just in hardware but even in software - one of these companies, when I got there, was using a 8 year old version of internet explorer as it's web browser, just awful.

I know of a bank that is still using a dos based system built on a programming language that less than 1% of programmers know - they have to pay hundreds of thousands to find someone who knows how to maintain and fix the system.

 

[Grim5]

Didn't realise Intel was so terrible for streaming

 

[P0tenc]

It's an unpopular time to build intel systems, but this is my impression of Intel 10th gen. What many ppl. don't realise is that if you have a 2080ti and game at 1440p high refresh rates, then you really need the low latencies that only Intel ringbus can provide atm.

I am a firm believer in buying the best product for a specific use case. My needs are max fps in gaming, secondly I am a developer and that part of my use case would run happily on either AMD or Intel. For me the main decision is to have the fastest gaming rig for reasonable money (reasonable being subjective). That is why I got the i7 10700k.

The network issue was annoying as I got the Asus Strix-F, but I updated the lan firmware and got the new driver. Since I only run 1Gbps anyway I don't see any dropped packets or issues. Oddly I did see packet loss at 1Gbps before the firmware patch which the articles and official documentation say shouldn't be an issue. Regardless after the patch and driver update I have not noticed any issues and my latencies in game are the same as my previous system.

Before I was running a delidded 8700K at 5Ghz with an offset of -1 for avx. Now I can run my 10700K(not delided) @ 5.1Ghz with no offset and cache at 4.8Ghz, two extra cores and better memory speeds. Even the temps are a bit lower! Intel did some magic imo. You just need to be careful with the overclocking and keep an eye on the voltage for good results. Seems a good deal to me because I got the 10700K for £342.

Don't have anything against Ryzen CPU's. In fact I am very happy AMD is bringing some competition. Bottom line remains, if you want max FPS in gaming and you already have the fastest GPU, then you need an Intel system.

We will have to wait and see what Zen 3 brings, exiting times for sure!

 

[humbug]

@P0tenc you're a 1% use case, the vast majority will not see the difference in games 10900K vs 3700X or even 3600. They can spend the cost difference on better hardware elsewhere, for example an RTX 2080 with a Ryzen 3600 is better than an RTX 2070 with a 10700K

 

[P0tenc]

@humbug Completely agree, but it also does not mean 10th gen Intel cpu's are bad, which is what seems to be the popular consensus lately. That is the reason I thought I would share my experience with the i7 10700K.

 

[Grim5]

@P0tenc you're a 1% use case, the vast majority will not see the difference in games 10900K vs 3700X or even 3600. They can spend the cost difference on better hardware elsewhere, for example an RTX 2080 with a Ryzen 3600 is better than an RTX 2070 with a 10700K

What that basically means is that a 10700k/10900k is only worth buying once you already have a 2080ti, otherwise buying a better GPU is better than a better CPU. That explains why 10th gen is selling poorly, probably less than 1% of PC gamers own a 2080ti and so they would be better served buying a better graphics card.

FYI prior to 10th gen AMD had 90% of new desktop CPU sales, since 10th gen AMD has lost 2%, wow Intel now sells 12% of new CPUs

 

[xb8browney]

I agree with what P0tenc said to be honest.

 

[shamus21]

I still prefer Intel over AMD at this point in time but it is very hard to justify an upgrade to a 10k series Cpu when the motherboards are so expensive and the new socket has a very limited life.

and that same old Chipset.

 

[Rroff]

I know of a bank that is still using a dos based system built on a programming language that less than 1% of programmers know - they have to pay hundreds of thousands to find someone who knows how to maintain and fix the system.

I really should put my COBOL programming experience to use - I know someone who does that stuff - clears 100-120K for 3 months work. But I'm pretty rusty these days.

 

[pete910]

I really should put my COBOL programming experience to use - I know someone who does that stuff - clears 100-120K for 3 months work. But I'm pretty rusty these days.

At that kind of money may be well worth brushing up on it

 

[Rroff]

At that kind of money may be well worth brushing up on it

There is a reason it tends to pay that well :s while I could get back up to speed on it I don't have the long term experience actively developing with it that some have - it would probably be easier for me to develop the application again from scratch on a language I'm actively familiar with.

 

[blasterbolt]

@POtenc

Just wondered what sort of performance increase did you see in games? I have a 8700k that is running a stable 5 gig with a 2080ti and am starting to get the upgrade itch

 

[Grim5]

@POtenc

Just wondered what sort of performance increase did you see in games? I have a 8700k that is running a stable 5 gig with a 2080ti and am starting to get the upgrade itch

tour 8700k is fine, if all you do is play games don't bother upgrading your cpu it's a waste of time

 

[Kelt]

tour 8700k is fine, if all you do is play games don't bother upgrading your cpu it's a waste of time

Sound advice.

Save your money for one of the new graphics cards coming out end of the year from Ngimpia and AMD.

 

[Grim5]

where is the 11gen rocket lake thread?

New slides leaked out today, once again confirming that rocket lake only goes up to 8 cores.

Also intel is changing its branding slightly - stil called "core iX" but now the i9's have the word "PRO" in the name too - e.g. Core i9 11900k PRO 8 core/16 thread 125w TDP.... gesh give me a break Intel, get a new marketing team

 

[P0tenc]

@POtenc

Just wondered what sort of performance increase did you see in games? I have a 8700k that is running a stable 5 gig with a 2080ti and am starting to get the upgrade itch

I have not tested gaming yet so unfortunately can't give you hard numbers. Going by the fact that I'm running 150Mhz higher on AVX , 50Mhz higher on non AVX and 100Mhz higher cache, will give me a small increase, as performance scales linearly with frequency. Add the two extra cores and that should lift 1% lows.

Don't expect massive FPS increases, that could change as compared to the 6 core i7 8700k when games start using 8 cores thanks to the consoles, and we get the 3080ti or whatever Nvidia names it.

I don't regret anything, unless Zen 3 is a beast, then I will upgrade to that. As you say it is an itch but not necessary

 

[shamus21]

where is the 11gen rocket lake thread?

New slides leaked out today, once again confirming that rocket lake only goes up to 8 cores.

Also intel is changing its branding slightly - stil called "core iX" but now the i9's have the word "PRO" in the name too - e.g. Core i9 11900k PRO 8 core/16 thread 125w TDP.... gesh give me a break Intel, get a new marketing team

I think something iffy is going on with Rocket lake and it don`t look good.