Reviewers are really just freelance salesmen. The easy way to tell if a review is unbiased, just ask yourself how much you're paying for the review. If it's nothing the reviewer has another reason influencing their conclusions. I don't think there is a single reviewer that buys their own cards and doesn't get samples from the manufacturers.
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You're right, they are looking out for their own interests, its their job its how they earn a living, who here thinks these people get wealthy and employ a dozen people with a dedicated studio off the back of Youtube ads? it takes multi million $ revenue to do that.
Its an RTX 4060 for RTX 4060 money and they skilfully spin it like that's a better thing than the RTX 4060, but don't worry.... once Nvidia release a new GPU they will once again be the only vendor you're supposed to buy GPU's from.
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Put them on a shelf in back of shot never to be touched again.
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Wow, a lot of hate for "reviewers".
They've been universally complaining about lack of VRAM at the low end for ages. Then they praise the company/card that gives them what they've asked for...
Erm, what's wrong with that?
They've been universally complaining about lack of VRAM at the low end for ages. Then they praise the company/card that gives them what they've asked for...
Erm, what's wrong with that?
Wow, a lot of hate for "reviewers".
They've been universally complaining about lack of VRAM at the low end for ages. Then they praise the company/card that gives them what they've asked for...
Erm, what's wrong with that?
Humans are really good at pattern recognition and i have been observing tech jurnoes for more than 2 decades.
Tbf I always thought the 4060 was a $200 card and the 4060ti should have been the $300 card regardless of the B580 so I don’t disagree with what Steve is saying.
That the 4060 is a $200 card? sure... but the B580 a $250 card? What exactly are you agreeing with?
"This is as close to disruption that you're going to see!"
-Digital Foundry, 2024.
Apparently "disruption" is launching a card with (probable) RTX 5060-levels of performance, at the (probable) RTX 5060's price, but without Nvidia's driver stability or proprietary technologies (RTX, DLSS) a few months before the actual RTX 5060 will launch
RX 6750 XT still looks like the budget card of choice. I can still find a new XFX card for ~£270,
-Digital Foundry, 2024.
Apparently "disruption" is launching a card with (probable) RTX 5060-levels of performance, at the (probable) RTX 5060's price, but without Nvidia's driver stability or proprietary technologies (RTX, DLSS) a few months before the actual RTX 5060 will launch
RX 6750 XT still looks like the budget card of choice. I can still find a new XFX card for ~£270,
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An 8gb card definitely should be $200 or less. I know it's impossible for many here to ever praise anything Intel, but you know why it's launched at this price. It's clearly the AMD strategy. Get the higher price sales first, and lower it down the line. The only difference, is that the card doesn't look THAT bad at 250. It's a shame how bad this price segment has got.
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I think Steve is talking about relative values, rather than absolutes. A 10% slower card with 4GB less VRAM, should be cheaper, regardless of manufacturer. Hardly controversial?
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It's controversial, when the poster in question has a strange Steve hate fetish.
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Apparently "disruption" is launching a card with (probable) RTX 5060-levels of performance, at the (probable) RTX 5060's price, but without Nvidia's driver stability or proprietary technologies (RTX, DLSS) a few months before the actual RTX 5060 will launch
RX 6750 XT still looks like the budget card of choice. I can still find a new XFX card for ~£270,
"5060 levels of performance", maybe NVIDIA will do 4060+10%, I can believe that.
"5060 price", I doubt NVIDIA will release 5060 at $250.
"Without NVIDIA Driver stability/features", agreed, not having games work is the number one issue, imo.
No mention about VRAM?
It's NVIDIA's number one flaw.You know AMD abandoned this segment of the market in equal measures with NVIDIA? That's why you (and I) can't recommend a 7000 series alternative...
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That the 4060 should be $200 I also think the B580 should be a bit cheaper also especially here in the uk where it seems to be above MSRP currently.
At the end of the day intel are giving you quite a bit more silicon, more VRAM, higher bus/bandwidth and more performance so yea the 4060 is definitely overpriced and has always been given its really a 4050 in disguise.
I’m sure we’d all love the B580 to be even cheaper but given the above I doubt Intel are making much profit on it as it’s physically very similarly speced to the 4070/4070ti the latter of which launched for $800, again this highlights Nvidia’s level of profiteering.
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I think people are being far to critical on these reviews, just because the prices are the some for both cards in the UK it's clearly not as good of a deal, but for them when the prices are significantly different (double digit percentage wise not value wise) I can see where they're coming from.
Really it's going to depend on how long Nvidia keep selling the 4060 for and how much they release the 5060. It's a competitive card for the segment it's entering, and competition is always good. Sure they could have released it cheaper and gone for $200/£200 but we have said the same about AMD for the the last few years and look how that turned out.
Intel have clearly priced this accordingly for the US market and completely ignored other markets. It probably wont sell "well" over here for that reason. How "too little/too late" this ends up being we will find out in January.
Really it's going to depend on how long Nvidia keep selling the 4060 for and how much they release the 5060. It's a competitive card for the segment it's entering, and competition is always good. Sure they could have released it cheaper and gone for $200/£200 but we have said the same about AMD for the the last few years and look how that turned out.
Intel have clearly priced this accordingly for the US market and completely ignored other markets. It probably wont sell "well" over here for that reason. How "too little/too late" this ends up being we will find out in January.
His own chart shows the B580 is 6% faster than the 4060.
Given that the RX 7800 XT is a similar amount faster than the 4070 and has 4GB more VRam would you apply the same argument that the 4070 should be 20% cheaper than the 7800 XT? Because Steve doesn't, he never stops talking about how it should be 30% cheaper than the 4070, its hypocrisy.
Are we putting Intel above Nvidia in the hierarchy now? No, just for this review...
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Its a $200 card, at most....... please stop justifying overpriced cards for some church mentality or because some influencer injected you with some dumb mind virus, this thing quite obviously is NOT a more valuable card than the 4060, ffs....
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I would pay more for a B580 with 12GB of VRAM than a 4060 with 8GB. I don't really want either of them, but I think it's time for 8GB cards to be price dropped. I think rip-off Britain makes the B580 seem worse. I can pick one up here for the equivalent of 228 quid, which is bit more tolerable.
Like i keep saying, $200 at most, the fact that the 4060 should be around the same price does not make the B580 a $250 card, that is his argument.
The are the same MSRP in the US, they are the same price here as they are in the US, the 6700 XT having 12GB was never a reason to get it over the 3060 Ti, not to Steve and not to anyone here.
Are we now saying that a card with more than 8GB of VRam is worth more purely by virtue of that? Is that the new paradigm now that Intel have launched a 12GB GPU? It seems to me looking for reasons to keep the Intel card price high. This is bonkers.
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