What previous timelines? Over the last decade Intel have generally released a new range of chips about once a year. They left an 18 month gap between Skylake and Kaby Lake, and are supposedly going to catch up by releasing a second generation in this year (Coffee Lake), so on what grounds do you think Icelake will appear in early 2018?
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Intel Cannonlake, Cascade Lake, Ice Lake, Tiger Lake & Sapphire Rapid thread
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look at broadwell to skylake, barely a few months between launches in comparison. ice lake is also scheduled for next year.
Skylake wasn't launched early.
Broadwell was badly delayed because of manufacturing process problems.
As EsaT said, Broadwell was hugely delayed which is why they didn't bother with a full release on the mainstream socket. There was a TWO YEAR gap between Haswell and Broadwell desktop chips!! Hence the stop-gap "Devil's Canyon" clock speed bump (something which is now the norm from Intel, apparently).
For a third time, how do you know this?
Its not just the cumulative improvements in the fabrication process that will give a bump to the clock ceiling of Zen+. Slight changes to the design and physical layout can contribute significantly and I personally expect to see more than +200Mhz on the avg air-cooled clock ceiling.
Broadwell on 14nm was late for the larger dies and had a staggered release though 2015 with the smaller mobile processors arriving Q3/4 2014 in order to keep close to their announcements. There would have been no reason to delay the skylake launch (Q3 2015) because BW desktop models were released late.
the 10nm was also delayed, hence why cannon lake got changed to mobile cpus only and not desktop (much like broadwell)
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-announces-cannon-lake-on-track-ice-lake-has-taped-in.html
ice lake is scheduled for 2018 and Intel has recently said they are on track for that (ice lake is the desktop 10nm)
Intel always had ice lake planned for 2018, the delay was cannonlake was supposed to launch in 2017 as a full range, but delays pushed it to mobile cpus only.
ice lake is also a new architecture design, so a node drop + new architecture should give a fairly good performance boost over kabylake.
also interested in their claimed performance gains for coffeelake, possibly tweaks to architecture? maybe crossing even higher than 5ghz clocks?
Well if that's true, I believe there's usually a year or so between "taping out" and actual release so it's possible it'll appear sometime in 2018. Even articles that claim a 2018 release date say "late 2018", meaning it might only be slightly before Zen 2's release anyway.
Not convinced of that. I've seen slides where Coffee Lake was slated for mid-2018, in which case there's no way Icelake was planned for 2018. This feels less like the Broadwell situation, where it was late and basically skipped over, and more like a new generation has been inserted to make up for delays to a planned 10 nm part. In other words, Coffee Lake takes the place that Cannonlake was meant to fill (on desktop) and Icelake appears afterwards in the normal time frame.
In theory yes but Skylake was a new architecture too and that was poop.
Actual performance gains will be nowhere near their claim. If you look at the small print for their previous "15% faster" claim, it was comparing two low-power SKUs. We all know desktop Kaby Lake parts aren't 15% faster than Skylake, even with higher clocks.
the interesting thing is they said they went above and beyond and got a 30% performance gain, I'm not saying this is true, but I very much doubt they would claim a 2x larger gain than usual and not actually get real world performance out of it.
I'm interested to see this new csche design on skylake x to see how that changes gaming performance, since as we saw with the broadwell 6775c cache can have a large difference in gaming
Considering the market of the platform and these large core count dies, Intel is going to be targeting some specific workloads (not typical for mainstream consumer) that see a good response to a larger L2 cache. Clearly not enough generally to be worth incorporating into their mainstream lineup yet (1151/mobile Kaby or Skylake). I personally suspect the larger L2 benefits SMT a fair bit- which could carryover to the consumer somewhat with some well threaded game engines.
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Added Cascade Lake to the thread line; with no X lines for CNL and CFL coming, Intel may turn their LGA3647 Cascade Lake-SP Xeons into the next HEDT platform; easier than anything else.
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Ridiclous pessimism.
Ridiculous optimism.
Making up the idea that desktop will be going to Icelake next year with large IPC and clock speed gains.
Even Coffee Lake looks like it will come out late this year before christmas.
ice lake is scheduled for next year on 10nm sooo....
and amd are stuck with gloflo 14nm LPP, getting more GHZ out of the design will be basically impossible, so all they can really do is a few tweaks to the architecture for a small IPC bump
Which will be followed by Intel 2nd gen on 10 but amd on 7, so? Is anbody winning the future?
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Again, Intel's 10nm is similar to GloFo's 7nm.
the numbers they give aren't on a similar scale.
as has been shown numerous transistor density between the 10vs 7 7nm is the same, expect the 7 (intel) to be very much the same as the gloflo 5nm
I know that, and yet nobody pointed useless zornyan's comparison between 14 and 10 when it's a different process.
The same as performance, architecture etc and yet you keep comparing them when suits you. What's the point of your comparison how fail for AMD is at 14nm, compared to intel's 10? I can have it on 50 and all that matters is performance, power draw etc.
I was replying to muon saying ice lake was 'made up' when we already know it's coming next year...
Whatever suits you