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Intel Cannonlake, Cascade Lake, Ice Lake, Tiger Lake & Sapphire Rapid thread

Harlequin said:
Intel knew AMD hired Jim Keller 5 years ago and didn't react
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Dunno about didn't react but they certainly didn't adjust their development in any significant way to accommodate a significant development from AMD. Acted more like they expected just another iterative product from AMD.

humbug said:
What does Intel being caught with their pants down have to do with AMD's luck?

AMD designed a better product and Intel now have to up their game to catch up, that's it.
You don't get lucky in making better products, you very much plan to do that.

Luck doesn't come into it.
Intel in their arrogance may feel unlucky, because they didn't no one else can, and yet someone did..... unlucky!
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I'm not sure any more if you aren't just being intentionally dense when it comes to my posts or what. If you can't understand the context of luck in terms of what I'm talking about compared to your post its a bit much.

EDIT: I will spell some of it out: "What does Intel being caught with their pants down have to do with AMD's luck?" - there is a difference between being caught with your pants down in a position to quickly adjust your strategy and being caught at a moment where you are say committed to production and a reaction will either be much more costly or much more delayed or both.
 
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Rroff said:
Dunno about didn't react but they certainly didn't adjust their development in any significant way to accommodate a significant development from AMD. Acted more like they expected just another iterative product from AMD.



I'm not sure any more if you aren't just being intentionally dense when it comes to my posts or what. If you can't understand the context of luck in terms of what I'm talking about compared to your post its a bit much.
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Maybe my not seeing your context is because you don't have a context, you're just making blanket statements?

You don't get lucky designing better products, you very much plan and work for that, the fact that AMD released a better product at 'any' given time is also not 'luck', if its a bad time for Intel its because their products are not good enough, which brings me back to my first point.
 
humbug said:
Maybe you don't have a context?

You don't get lucky designing better products, you very much plan and work for that, the fact that AMD released a better product at 'any' given time is also not 'luck', if its a bad time for Intel its because their products are not good enough, which brings me back to my first point.
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Nothing I'm talking about is about designing better products its about the execution on that product. I never said AMD got lucky in making a great CPU.
 
humbug said:
So what then? should AMD wait for Intel to have better products?
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Seriously? can you not grasp what I'm talking about at all?

Hate to do it but you are going on my ignore list how you can mis-read my context that badly I have no idea but its getting silly.
 
Rroff said:
Seriously? can you not grasp what I'm talking about at all?

Hate to do it but you are going on my ignore list how you can mis-read my context that badly I have no idea but its getting silly.
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Like a #### You keep saying "you don't understand" while never actually explaining your reasoning.

Any blanket statement can be dismissed with reason, the only one with any reason here is me, ignoring me isn't going to stop me disagreeing with you.
 
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Rroff said:
Seriously? can you not grasp what I'm talking about at all?

Hate to do it but you are going on my ignore list how you can mis-read my context that badly I have no idea but its getting silly.
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No one understands what your getting at?

AMD realised by 2012 they were not going to compete on IPC with Intel, so they hired Keller to build them complete new artictecture from the ground up. The design was finished in 2015 then it was sent to fabbing. It took another year to the kinks to be worked out then AMD sent it to market as quicka s they could, quicker than the support *motherboards* , because the IHV`s thought it was another Bulldozer.

How you can not understand any of this is truly disappointing
 
Guys come on; this is an Intel and not an AMD thread. Last time I'd like to ask or else I'll close it down. All this Intel vs AMD has become so boring.

Let's just all be happy with the healthy and much needed competition. :)
 
Vargas said:
How well do the new 8 core Intel match up against Ryzen? Looking for a new build next week. Will be a gaming machine @ 4K.
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May I direct you to here: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/amd-threadripper-vs-intel-skylake-x.18781534/

They said, if you're building a gaming rig stay on the mainstream platform without the cache and mesh restructuring (= poor game performance). The 6C/12T Coffee Lake-S appears to be shaping up nicely for that purpose, and you don't need 8C anyway.
 
TheF34RChannel said:
and you don't need 8C anyway
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One of the contentions for me is that if I'm upgrading from my current 4 core, 8 thread Intels I really want to make a decent step up and the 6 cores don't really represent that - I was taking half a look at the i7-7820X as my usage tends to spread over some higher end compute as well as general desktop and gaming but they are looking like steaming piles of meh :s
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
Its funny to think that a group of people probably celebrated when they finalised this mess of a product stack
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Well data centres have an entirely different view on these things, but still I cannot imagine all SKUs have a purpose.

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I mean, what!?
 
TheF34RChannel said:
May I direct you to here: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/amd-threadripper-vs-intel-skylake-x.18781534/

They said, if you're building a gaming rig stay on the mainstream platform without the cache and mesh restructuring (= poor game performance). The 6C/12T Coffee Lake-S appears to be shaping up nicely for that purpose, and you don't need 8C anyway.
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Thanks. I also will be using the pc for folding (Seti@home) although this is mainly GPU based.
 
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