More costly to manufacture(?) or will yields be higher with fewer cores and performance doesn't warrant higher prices.
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Intel Core i7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake
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Indeed, given the size of the die the number of chips per wafer for the 11700F/K/KF/11900/K/KF parts will be pretty low, at least 30% less I'd guess. The prices are high, I'd doubt they'll come down that fast.
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Why is it so enormous?
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Find it funny though that linus couldnt just delay the intel review a day so he could compare it to new threadripper in the review? These reviewers are obsessed with hitting embargo dates.
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Timing has an absolutely massive effect on their views, they need to be out with it from the minute they can release it as the views in the first few hours mean everything . nutty can't simply leave it a day.
Which is funny as I dont know know anyone who sits at their pc or by their phone waiting for these reviews to popup, most people I know read it typically days/weeks/months after its published, who are all these people?
I might read something quickly if I get an email/rss alert, but I dont get the thinking behind something is only worth reading if its first.
So you saying if he published it a day later his view count would be much lower simply because he published a day late?
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The influx of people watching day one reviews is huge. I'm sure Linus explained it in a WAN show once saying they need to do it immediately else it's just not worth doing.
The 11600KF (125w TDP) gets a similar CPUz single threaded score to the 5800X, according to this:
https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2021/03/Intel-Core-i5-11400F-Core-i5-11600KF-CPUZ-17.png
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5800X score:
https://valid.x86.fr/bench/60vs0l/1
But, it get's a lower score in Cinebench R20.
I suppose we will have to wait for the release for some proper gaming reviews. It does seem like Intel will be relying on high clocks + high tdp to keep up with the Ryzen 5000s.
Is the release and review embargo still 30th of March?
https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2021/03/Intel-Core-i5-11400F-Core-i5-11600KF-CPUZ-17.png
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5800X score:
https://valid.x86.fr/bench/60vs0l/1
But, it get's a lower score in Cinebench R20.
I suppose we will have to wait for the release for some proper gaming reviews. It does seem like Intel will be relying on high clocks + high tdp to keep up with the Ryzen 5000s.
Is the release and review embargo still 30th of March?
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If you look at the 1184G7 Cinebench R20 score, it does quite well at 4.8ghz. If there was a version clocked at 5.3Ghz, it would likely perform ~10% better and perhaps be the best scoring CPU. (and there are 8 core Tiger Lakes on the way). Scores here:
https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu_benchmark-cinebench_r20_single_core-9
I think Intel has really screwed up with Rocket Lake, 10nm Tiger Lake desktop would've been much better (lower tdp likely too), even if it took a bit longer to release.
https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu_benchmark-cinebench_r20_single_core-9
I think Intel has really screwed up with Rocket Lake, 10nm Tiger Lake desktop would've been much better (lower tdp likely too), even if it took a bit longer to release.
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AI, HPC and that's about it. Those groups genuinely benefit.
It is also the first Xe part with only 32 EUs. Tiger Lake on 10nm has 96 EUs.
Of course, being on 14nm they couldn't afford to 'waste' so much space on what is after all a desktop part.
A port without IGP and more L3 would probably perform a lot better against Zen3, but then desktop Zen3 is sort of doing that.
But I can't see RL being competitive against Zen 3 Cezanne - which also has 16MB L3 like RL - either though.
yeah for those that dont know not hitting a release day you sometimes might as well not even make the video. also obvious business tie ins so he will have to produce for said date . also he wont favour any side. it will just be to clickbait people in. as you see from his thumbnails.
the good thing about these releases is some of the intel cpus pricing. 10700ks for as low as £230 recently. is a absolute steal. especially when you have over priced amd eqivelents.
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Out of interest, does this chip suffer the SPECTRE issue google released proof of OP for yesterday or not?
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Intel for the first time in over a decade has been forced to significantly drop prices due to having uncompetitive price to performance vs the competition, becoming the value king isn't a bad thing either, from a consumer perspective anyhow, but it will worry those in the marketing side of things about devaluing the brand and how long it will last. It seems RKL won't claw back any of that lost ground, given the high pricing, and very little gain.
The inability for them to produce more than an 8-core part, is a big step back just as they were catching up, Alder Lake is has to be a significant upshift for them to gain some traction back and protect their big fat margins.
I'll be solidly recommending 10th Gen parts for budget builds, and for those who want the best performance it will be Zen3 based CPU's until something changes to alter the current status quo.
The inability for them to produce more than an 8-core part, is a big step back just as they were catching up, Alder Lake is has to be a significant upshift for them to gain some traction back and protect their big fat margins.
I'll be solidly recommending 10th Gen parts for budget builds, and for those who want the best performance it will be Zen3 based CPU's until something changes to alter the current status quo.
the thing is 90 percent of the world doesnt need or use more than probably 4 to 6 cores so they have literally the same performance as amd across the ranges that mainly are used. if you actually asked people who generally everyday uses more than 8 cores. with no bs it would literally be a very small percentage.
people paying 300 for a 6 core amd cpu which should be 200 tops and making out like jesus made it. yet you can get a 8 core intel i7 for same price or cheaper which is as quick in games and in some quicker and have a extra two cores yet intel is failing. lol.
if the amd pricing and gouging scalping wasnt bad and they were priced properly then yes amd would be like the dogs danglies.
also many people dont speak about the simple thing that is amd issues when owning one. now anyone on here is mostly going to pop up say i have never had a issue with mine. yet there is loads of posts about the numerous issues that come with owning a amd cpu.
intel often is pretty trouble free or....less hassle than owning a amd cpu. this forums is amd biased so its kinda to be expected but just look at the numerous threads in here about issues and then on top of that being ripped off pricing wise to own a cpu that basically isnt no quicker more hassle and more expensive than a intel counter part.
people paying 300 for a 6 core amd cpu which should be 200 tops and making out like jesus made it. yet you can get a 8 core intel i7 for same price or cheaper which is as quick in games and in some quicker and have a extra two cores yet intel is failing. lol.
if the amd pricing and gouging scalping wasnt bad and they were priced properly then yes amd would be like the dogs danglies.
also many people dont speak about the simple thing that is amd issues when owning one. now anyone on here is mostly going to pop up say i have never had a issue with mine. yet there is loads of posts about the numerous issues that come with owning a amd cpu.
intel often is pretty trouble free or....less hassle than owning a amd cpu. this forums is amd biased so its kinda to be expected but just look at the numerous threads in here about issues and then on top of that being ripped off pricing wise to own a cpu that basically isnt no quicker more hassle and more expensive than a intel counter part.