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Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851

Dave2150 said:
I imagine Intel will reach parity with AMD with their next gen after Arrow Lake and then probably succeed them - as now the process gap has been eliminated.
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Intel had no real intention to stick with TSMC though, so once again everything hinges on Intel 18A. And reading between the lines, Intel Foundry doesn't expect many customers until afterwards - so Intel 16A etc.

Therefore even if Intel and Pat's hype about returning to process leadership are true - and given Intel's history of hyping process since at least Intel 10nm their credibility is not great - the $10's of billions for the 18A fabs have be paid largely for by Intel's products alone.

How Intel's huge P cores will fare - Skymont is nearly a third of the size, Zen 5 is smaller on the lesser N4P process (and includes AVX523 which used to be Intel's great hope), etc. - is not certain. While Skymont is impressive, mainstream requires an ST champ and that it is not.

The proper Alder Lake reviews with deep dives (maybe chips & cheese) should still be interesting.
 
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Rroff said:
I might have it wrong as I wasn't paying much attention but IIRC Zen 5 isn't an evolution of Zen 4, that will be Zen 6, Zen 5 I believe is more an evolution of Zen 3 (which in many was has ended up reinventing the Zen 4 wheel).

Which probably somewhat explains why the latency was messed up on release :s
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They're all based on the core Zen architecture that Jim Keller lead the development on. Can safely call them all revisions expanding the base design.

When Jim Keller left, it was reported that he'd left plans for the next few 'generations' - as I understand it these have now been depleted, which may explain the disappointing difference between Zen4 and 5.
 
Having 4x PCI-e 5.0 lanes without having to steal from the GPU is good, but would have liked to see that more like 8, total PCI-e lanes increased is good though and most stuff won't require more than 4.0 anyhow.

Performance uplift looks disappointing to me, I can't say personally I'm that bothered by the power use, sure lower would be better. If this is accurate seeing nothing which makes me regret buying a 14700K.
 
Rroff said:
Having 4x PCI-e 5.0 lanes without having to steal from the GPU is good, but would have liked to see that more like 8, total PCI-e lanes increased is good though and most stuff won't require more than 4.0 anyhow.

Performance uplift looks disappointing to me, I can't say personally I'm that bothered by the power use, sure lower would be better. If this is accurate seeing nothing which makes me regret buying a 14700K.
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How many lanes does Z890 have compared with X870E?
 
Although the leaks suggest that it will be slower than the 14900k, at least they are going to be more efficient.

The majority of complaints have been how power hungry Intel CPU’s of the past have been. Now they’re focusing more on efficiency and people are still not happy.

12/13th gen are still great for gaming.
 
McCarthy said:
Although the leaks suggest that it will be slower than the 14900k, at least they are going to be more efficient.

The majority of complaints have been how power hungry Intel CPU’s of the past have been. Now they’re focusing more on efficiency and people are still not happy.

12/13th gen are still great for gaming.
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Because it's also regression if you look at the gaming charts and that's with intel using best scenario

Still need to see what this efficiency is with third party reviews
 
RavenXXX2 said:
What a fail.


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None X3D is on par.

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The power savings look good but when you consider they will have picked the best case scenario (AMD do this too) its not looking good for gaming, the 7800X3D is of course faster and the 9800X3D is probably going to crush this.
 
humbug said:
The power savings look good but when you consider they will have picked the best case scenario (AMD do this too) its not looking good for gaming, the 7800X3D is of course faster and the 9800X3D is probably going to crush this.
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I can’t see it selling well, it’s more of a step in the right direction but sort of sitting this one out. Maybe next time we will see.

AMD are very comfortable at the moment both in performance and efficiency. Let’s hope pricing is not over the top for the 9000X3D range. With higher clocks also on the new 3D CPU’s fingers crossed power and heat are still great, as they are on the 7000X3d’s.
 
humbug said:
The power savings look good but when you consider they will have picked the best case scenario (AMD do this too) its not looking good for gaming, the 7800X3D is of course faster and the 9800X3D is probably going to crush this.
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Maybe Intel are going the other way and under promising so when reviews come out it gains some positivity unlike AMD who straight up fudged the pre release numbers.
 
McCarthy said:
I can’t see it selling well, it’s more of a step in the right direction but sort of sitting this one out. Maybe next time we will see.

AMD are very comfortable at the moment both in performance and efficiency. Let’s hope pricing is not over the top for the 9000X3D range. With higher clocks also on the new 3D CPU’s fingers crossed power and heat are still great, as they are on the 7000X3d’s.
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There are a lot of people out there who despite everything are still loyal to Intel, pure gamers are going to plumb for the 7800X3D and 9800X3D, as they have since the 5800X3D but even then there are small YT channels who justify 400 watt overclocks and £300 ram kits running at 9000 MT/s to beat the 7800X3D, Intel still king.... even if that chip will last about 5 weeks.

I don't underestimate these people, look at how rabidly anti-AMD UserBenchmark are. Those people have a screw loose, Reddit has a lot of these people too, they exist. You don't find them here because here they would probably be run off the forum in about 20 minutes, there is a large contingent of 11 series and 12 series owners who have been waiting for a reason to get a new Intel CPU and actually to me it seems Arrow Lake is shaping up to be pretty good... its not going to beat AMD's gaming focused CPU's, its not going to be any more power efficient but in many ways its a significant improvement on 13'th and 14'th gen, for a lot of people that's really all it needs to be. Even for people who haven't got a screw loose with the power reductions its no longer such a clear-cut AMD choice.

It took Intel to make a giant CPU on TSMC's most advanced node to do it... so they will either be very expensive or low margin, but it is what it is...
 
Joxeon said:
Maybe Intel are going the other way and under promising so when reviews come out it gains some positivity unlike AMD who straight up fudged the pre release numbers.
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That will really hurt the non K/OEM parts and that’s where operate as business and where AMD are pushing hard. Intel could do with some good publicity just now but I don’t think Intel would sacrifice its OEM sales to gain favour in the DIY console market.
 
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