I also don’t get why they either make 2 dimm slot budget MATX or 2 dimm slot high end ATX over £450, why can’t they make some 2 dimm slot £200 ATX boards.
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Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851
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seems like overkill in terms of the power delivery... interesting to see if hotspot temps end up any different.
always found the marketing terms used for motherboards pretty funny. going way back many years.
various testers will have something to do in coming weeks/months.
the X870 boards are also OtT. imo. from my brief look.
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seriously if all you want is gaming...get some elcheapo platform (practically any 6 core) and spend the dollars on the g card. all done.
each to their own....
edits: i'm gunna cave in and get a z board. o the humanity.not sure which one yet. (the coolest one possibly)
Max ratings and sustained use over time are two very different things. Failure also has to consider especially with today’s graphics cards dumping 500 or more watts into the system.
Motherboard manufacturers are beefing up power delivery circuits to deal with the potential hundreds of watts of add in cards and limited air flow. The cost of the VRM is so people can game in silence with the latest 550watt graphics cards not the CPU.
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Then people won't but the £450 boards. It's just a way of upselling enthusiasts.
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Yeah AM5 in particular, a cheap £100 Asrock B650M-HDV can run any of their high end CPUs so all these massive 14 stage monster VRMs are nonsense.
A PC enthusiast is someone who’s passionate about hardware or overclocking and nothing to do with how much money they can spend.
Overclocking in particular and the main reason it gained in popularity was all about getting cheaper hardware and tuning it up to outperform the more expensive hardware. Sadly these days companies are trying to push the opposite narrative.
ASRock’s $110 US B650-HDV/M.2 Motherboard Sets Overclocking World Record With AMD Ryzen 9 7950X CPU !
By Hassan Mujtaba at - https://wccftech.com/asrock-110-us-b650-motherboard-sets-overclocking-world-record-amd-ryzen-9-7950x-cpu/ When we talk about extreme overclocking and breaking world records with the latest CPUs, we almost entirely expect it to be achieved on a flagship or high-end motherboa...
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Caporegime
I dont disagree at all, but the motherboards companies like high margins, so forcing enthusiasts to pay for premium 2 slot motherboards is easy, they just don't release any middle ground boards and that niche becomes very profitable.
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Because keeping costs down requires certain concessions. There isn't a great deal of point in a cutdown 1DCP board with 4-6 PCB layers for example, as you lose the benefits of the slimmed-down memory topology.
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Overclocking for me peaked in the late 90's when you could by a Celeron 300a and overclock it by at least 50% by moving a jumper on the motherboard (remember those?)A PC enthusiast is someone who’s passionate about hardware or overclocking and nothing to do with how much money they can spend.
Overclocking in particular and the main reason it gained in popularity was all about getting cheaper hardware and tuning it up to outperform the more expensive hardware. Sadly these days companies are trying to push the opposite narrative.
ASRock’s $110 US B650-HDV/M.2 Motherboard Sets Overclocking World Record With AMD Ryzen 9 7950X CPU !
By Hassan Mujtaba at - https://wccftech.com/asrock-110-us-b650-motherboard-sets-overclocking-world-record-amd-ryzen-9-7950x-cpu/ When we talk about extreme overclocking and breaking world records with the latest CPUs, we almost entirely expect it to be achieved on a flagship or high-end motherboa...community.hwbot.org
Some of the new 800 series £200 boards have 8 layers so it wouldn’t really be an issue.
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New pricing seems to be in place at other etailers too.
Yeah i glanced over as most vendors are following the place in Bolton.
If its the same performance at lower wattage, then this product is overpriced now. £358.99 would have been decent but closer to £400 now is abit stupid unless they're absolutely overclocking monsters.
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but you probably need to spend 300 to get basic RBG trouble shooting, below that has to rely on beeps and pips...
spend over 600 and you can have a magnificent led screen with proper error codes
I remember people drawing pencil lines on AMD chips
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Caporegime
Those were good times.
Soldato
And what frequency does that board top out at on its QVL. Layers is just one facet (which if being honest, 8 isn't strictly always enough to maximise oc potential). You're asking for low budget board with a layout change that has no demand. Requesting boards with fewer slots that don't OC very well is scraping the barrel. As well as setting yourself up for a fall against cheap 2DCP boards. Short answer, it wouldn't sell that well hence it's not the done thing at the moment.
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If I remember the B550 Unify X was quite a popular board and wasn't much over £200, the way I see it there is a gap in the market and an opportunity for whoever fills it.
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ahh yes, motherboards are supplying hundreds of watts to aib's
they have to be careful to limit the power draw over the pci interface. to 75W. badly specced cards can pull more. but that should not be typical. PCI-SIG standards
it all shows up in testings. as to how x,y, or z motherboard handles the heat (assuming we still get reliable testings by specific reviewers)
if they are exceeding power draw limits significantly over the pci slot that is not good.
I am becoming more paranoid lately that something insidious has crept into the design and manufacture of 'self immolation for premature failure of consumer goods' type merchandise. even my tin foil hat seems to be getting hotter these days....
considering recent troubles I would not want even more bad press to arise from badly specced hardware.
they have to be careful to limit the power draw over the pci interface. to 75W. badly specced cards can pull more. but that should not be typical. PCI-SIG standards
it all shows up in testings. as to how x,y, or z motherboard handles the heat (assuming we still get reliable testings by specific reviewers)
if they are exceeding power draw limits significantly over the pci slot that is not good.
I am becoming more paranoid lately that something insidious has crept into the design and manufacture of 'self immolation for premature failure of consumer goods' type merchandise. even my tin foil hat seems to be getting hotter these days....
considering recent troubles I would not want even more bad press to arise from badly specced hardware.
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The only issue with using the Unify X as an example is that I don't believe it was ever followed up on AM5. That also highlights another issue on AM5, how many ATX 1 DPC boards are available on AM5?
It all depends on your feature requirements and what you are prepared to pay for it. As an example, the Z790 Apex Encore was arguably the best board for memory on the Z790 platform but those features and engineering comes at a cost.