Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851

[Dr_Watson]

are they all old and white? gotta make way for the DEI hires



For that to happen a lot of talented people have to be pushed out of their roles, to make way for people with less/0 experience.

this is why ubisoft allegedly, according to a former employee had a dev manually renaming 20,000 files, instead of writing a batch script

Honestly, I changed what I was going to type here 20 times, I just completed my 3rd DEI course this year. I would get banned for speaking the truth so will just leave it at that.

 

[almoststew1990]

My 5800X3D nearly matches Intel's latest in many titles, YEEEEEHAWWWWWW!

I am in a similar boat, I have a 5800X3D on X470 as an upgrade to a 3700X, along with a 6800XT. Both of which are keeping up. I was watching the reviews of the 285K just perplexed at the $600+ price tag.

 

[Kirby Wurm]

I am in a similar boat, I have a 5800X3D on X470 as an upgrade to a 3700X, along with a 6800XT. Both of which are keeping up. I was watching the reviews of the 285K just perplexed at the $600+ price tag.

It's a great combo, though now I've switched to a 3440x1440 monitor the card is struggling a little even with tweaked settings, but only in certain titles (Helldivers 2 being the main one, though FMF helps a lot).

I have zero incentive to upgrade the platform yet however, and this release solidifies that (obviously those with faster cards have more to gain).

The 285K does very well in production workloads it seems, especially considering the loss of thread count, but as it's not a great all rounder the price is far too high. Still, Intel can build on it and TPU's comparison to Zen 1 seems apt, with the caveat that unlike AM4 the platform won't have much longevity from what we know at present.

 

[Grim5]

It's so bad, Intel never bothered to ship any.

Yep waste of sand

 

[Rroff]

The 285K does very well in production workloads it seems, especially considering the loss of thread count, but as it's not a great all rounder the price is far too high. Still, Intel can build on it and TPU's comparison to Zen 1 seems apt, with the caveat that unlike AM4 the platform won't have much longevity from what we know at present.

Even in production workloads it is hit and miss - some stuff it shows strong performance but IMO not strong enough over the next nearest CPUs to offset where it falls down. And in some production workloads it languishes a long way behind.

 

[uscool]

Think the production workloads is because of the ecore's improvement

 

[Vertigo]

Worse when you consider China wants Taiwan back and could invade at any moment. It'd throw the U.S if not the global economy into a recession most likely. Likely why, despite what Trump says, the U.S will need to protect Taiwan, or try to, if it comes to that.

Just when you thought the pandemic had taught people about putting all their manufacturing eggs in one basket.

 

[DarrenM343]

people need to realise the reality of Taiwans independence.






11 countries recognise Taiwan and 0 of them are relevant on the world stage, It's pretty much accepted and inevitable that it becomes part of China again.

People realise that. It's in America's interest for Taiwan to remain independent however even if it's still recognised officially as part of China. It's a potential flash point

 

[Grim5]

Utter embarrassment, Intel's bulldozer moment? 60% slower than a 7800x3d in Cyberpunk






And while arrow lake is more efficient, as you can see it's still far away from AMD

 

[Joxeon]

And people hated on the Ryzen 9000 series for only offering +5% in gaming, Intel would love to have +5% in gaming...

Even the hated 9700X is significantly faster, not such a bad CPU afteral.

Just because Arrow lake is a fail doesn't mean Zen5 is good, it was still a fail in price to performance compared to Zen4

 

[DrCheese]

From the initial reviews I really wonder who this chip is aimed at, or what the point in releasing it at all was

I guess people would feel safer than owning a 13th/14th gen chip but your still a beta tester.

NO games are planning on using the new AI features I take it?

I doubt the socket ever gets more CPUs tbh

Yes this what I'm taking away from this - Why bother at all?

OK, so you've got the power draw down because of a new architecture. That's a good thing. But why then force yourself to release it because YOU MUST HAVE A NEW PRODUCT out when you know it's going to take a few iterations for you to get the performance back up to scratch?

So now anyone who wants to buy your product is stuck with something much worse than your previous product. So they just won't bother at all.

I was really looking forward to replacing my 9900k & being able to upgrade my whole rig with modern features (ATX 3.1/PCIE-5/DDR-5) next week, but now it looks like AMD is my only hope

 

[Rroff]

And while arrow lake is more efficient, as you can see it's still far away from AMD

Wonder how/what they are testing to get 218 watt draw on the 14700K mind - albeit not measuring at the EPS12V but mine shows the CPU at around 130 watt in CP2077 1080p (in same situation 7800X3D is drawing around 50-60 watt so similar to their numbers).

EDIT: I am using a 4080 Super though rather than 4090 but doubt the extra performance would increase wattage by quite that much.

 

[Joxeon]

Utter embarrassment, Intel's bulldozer moment? 60% slower than a 7800x3d in Cyberpunk






And while arrow lake is more efficient, as you can see it's still far away from AMD

While the gaming isn't that great on arrow lake, clearly there is a bug/issue with a few of these games.

 

[Grim5]

285k is not just worse in the frame rates but the frametimes it seems as well

 

[uscool]

While the gaming isn't that great on arrow lake, clearly there is a bug/issue with a few of these games.

Even if it gets fixed it's not exactly gonna make it amazing

 

[Grim5]

While the gaming isn't that great on arrow lake, clearly there is a bug/issue with a few of these games.

Funny thing is even if you find a single core application like Geekbench and that will just hit 1 p core, the scores are still low. So it becomes harder to argue a scheduler issue

 

[Chrisc]

Ouch, this is rough from intel which is a shame really because you'll probably see AMD doing exactly as they did and we'll only see slight increments as the generations go on.

 

[Grim5]

Now that NDA is up, I'd strongly advise against getting ARL *UNLESS* you really want to tweak and tinker with a new platform that has a ton of cool stuff.

Even then, Intel has a lot of FW updates to do and work with Intel needs to work with MS to sort out the OS related issue. It's a long bump road ahead.

Get a 9800x3d if you want max performance or 7800x3d if you can find one on offer. If you have ADL/RPL/RPL-S, then stay on it.

The bsod bugs are funny - apparently if you have a new windows install and you have a GPU plugged in windows won't boot, only boots on the first time if it can use the iGPU

Also seems there is quite a few reports of BSOD when trying to start games that use easy anti cheat

 

[DrCheese]

Ouch, this is rough from intel which is a shame really because you'll probably see AMD doing exactly as they did and we'll only see slight increments as the generations go on.

The never ending cycle of CPU. Intel get on top & sit on their backsides. AMD take over. AMD sit on their backsides.. Intel recovers & so on

 

[Chrisc]

The never ending cycle of CPU. Intel get on top & sit on their backsides. AMD take over. AMD sit on their backsides.. Intel recovers & so on

Exactly, AMD will get complacent if intel keep churning out garbage like this.