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Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851

Grim5 said:
Funny thing is even if you find a single core application like Geekbench and that will just hit 1 p core, the scores are still low. So it becomes harder to argue a scheduler issue
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It should still be beating a 12600k regardless, CP clearly has some kind of issue on ARL.
 
Joxeon said:
It should still be beating a 12600k regardless, CP clearly has some kind of issue on ARL.
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Power use ultimately equals performance. Intel has to get power use in check and because of Intels barmy CPU configuration and the removal of HT that comes at a cost. That said Windows and all the middleware very likely needs updating.
 
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Grim5 said:
Some interesting "real world" results in the TPU review

285k is trying to compete against the 13400f when it comes to real world tasks such as Microsoft application, word, excel, PowerPoint etc and web browsing, watching videos etc
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Smashes video editing, can't load Powerpoint faster than Skylake. I'm liking these CPUs, quirky.
 
Joxeon said:
Just because Arrow lake is a fail doesn't mean Zen5 is good, it was still a fail in price to performance compared to Zen4
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Though a lot of that is because AMD generally reduce prices during a product's lifespan so nearly each few gen of theirs looks poor value at launch. Intel (or Nvidia) never really reduce prices. I certainly prefer better prices for those with patience. The "we never reduce prices" thing did only that Intel etc. are better at inventory management - or have OEMs they can palm old stock of to.
 
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Meaker said:
Does not change the DIY experience but I assume the same is true for the intel side of things.
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You also have to realise that we (the DiY part) are a very small section of the entire market, their are much more important concerns and focus for both AMD and Intel. But also we are a vocal minority, a grassroots section as it were hence it can be fairly important.
 
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This is a core issue to why we're seeing with inconsistencies across the board. They intertwined P and E core clusters and now need to ensure their thread director and OS' can distinguish and assign threads properly. A bad idea they'll pay dearly for. That's why something like Cinebench where everything is loaded up and continuous, things are fine. Many apps, esp games don't work that way.
 
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Man the benches are ugly and some are benching with 23H2 (because its less buggy) which means the gap between Intel and AMD is even bigger when using 24H2.
 
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IMHO if Intel had a decent core then they could 'glue' lots of them together and be competitive. But the haven't, so in desperation they went down the 'P' + 'E' core route. Doesn't work well and to keep trying to refine it is madness. Rearranging the P / E cores is still P / E cores. Can't polish a t*rd.
 
I'll be interested to see how this pans out over the coming months, though in my case, if I were to consider one of these chips, it would most likely be the 265 or 245 variant. The power consumption reduction was nice to see.
If not, then it'll probably be something like the 7950X3D or upcoming 9900X3D (or whatever it will be named). Depends on how it handles stuff other than single threaded applications.
 
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