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Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851

Rroff said:
14700K - £100 cheaper than the 7800X3D right now - within margin of error of the 7800X3D for high resolution/settings gaming (at least until like a 5090 comes along) and crushes it for anything outside of gaming. Often within a hair of the much more expensive CPUs. As long as you don't mind the power consumption which at the wall generally isn't as scarily different as the reviews might suggest.

EDIT: Even the older 12th and 13th gen still hold up pretty well and are currently massively discounted.
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Yep I got my 14700k for 220ish so it was a no brainer. As i showed here before, stock + xmp vs my tune was good for 17% in CP alone.

I would only touch arl if it was free to test and play with.
 
Rroff said:
Even if you stick 8600+ low latency stuff in there and tune the nuts off it to bring latency down nearer to the other platforms it doesn't massively change gaming performance - in some cases it is like 7-9% but the average is less.
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I can see, if it is starting 21ns down in equal timings, you can't beat that, tuning and CUDIMM or whatever

so it is currently looking mildly ok only in tests that are not latency sensitive. Another Cinebench CPU
 
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And people hated on the Ryzen 9000 series for only offering +5% in gaming, Intel would love to have +5% in gaming...

Even the hated 9700X is significantly faster, not such a bad CPU afteral.

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uscool said:
before it was said AMD are only efficient because of the Node advantage , they dont have the node advantage now ?
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No, they don't, Ryzen 9000 is on TSMC 4nm, Arrow Lake is on TSMC 3nm, so now Intel have the node advantage and yet AMD are still more power efficient.

Its architectural, AMD's architecture is just more efficient.
 
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uscool said:
would that increase power ?
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Yes but I can't see the increase in power worth the loss of performance - Intel banded about some quite low HT % gains in justification for it but in the real world I've seen a lot of stuff gain much more. They are aiming towards some future architecture changes with stuff like rentable units, etc. but still it seems like an intermediate misstep to me.
 
Rroff said:
I feel like someone in the product lead or whatever position for these CPUs was putting their hands over their ears and going LALALALA whenever anyone tried to talk sense to them.
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I work in Semiconductors, and have many connection with colleagues in Intel, many have just been laid off, exactly in the position you mentioned and similar, many have been there 25+ years. I`m not saying it's directly connected to this product etc, it's a very stressful time for them. My Linkedin board has never looked so bad with negative news on redundancies in the industry.
 
Dr_Watson said:
I work in Semiconductors, and have many connection with colleagues in Intel, many have just been laid off, exactly in the position you mentioned and similar, many have been there 25+ years. I`m not saying it's directly connected to this product etc, it's a very stressful time for them. My Linkedin board has never looked so bad with negative news on redundancies in the industry.
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Yeah that doesn't help.

I also have suspicions it is a lot of behind the Intel issues being blown up into "dire" failure rates - some of the information which came out and the timing of it could only really have come from someone inside Intel or more pertinently disgruntled ex-Intel staff. Not to say those issues aren't real but they've been blown out of all proportion compared to actual retail rates and what the vast majority of the professional industry are actually seeing.
 
Dr_Watson said:
My Linkedin board has never looked so bad with negative news on redundancies in the industry.
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are they all old and white? gotta make way for the DEI hires

In its Corporate and Social Responsibility Report, Intel states that by 2030, its goal is to have 25% women in senior leadership and, even more specifically, for 12% of U.S. senior roles to be filled by female racial minorities by 2030.
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For that to happen a lot of talented people have to be pushed out of their roles, to make way for people with less/0 experience.

this is why ubisoft allegedly, according to a former employee had a dev manually renaming 20,000 files, instead of writing a batch script
 
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