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Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851

Anyone seen this leaked MSI slide, yet?
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It suggests that probably there is going to be a Arrow Lake refresh series coming in 2025 on desktops, presumably to combat Zen 6 CPUs.

Source:
https://quasarzone.com/bbs/qf_cmr/views/2545937

They’ve got the 3nm deal with TSMC already, so I think it makes sense. Maybe they’ll utilise a more performant version of the base 3nm fab process? The deal they’ve agreed with TSMC is reported to be expensive.

I guess there’s a possibility of more EUV layers being used?

Personally, don’t find a refresh at all surprising, Intel has done this for just about every single major (modern) CPU architecture, for at least one generation.
 
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Zen 6 is 2026, I believe ARL refresh was cancelled according to some leakers. Unless they can produce a Zen+, it would be a waste of effort.

Btw, asrock has released a new BIOS with 0x112 ucode
 
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g67575 said:
Anyone seen this leaked MSI slide, yet?
bab72c7278a6b5006d3629246987ad16.jpeg


It suggests that probably there is going to be a Arrow Lake refresh series coming in 2025 on desktops, presumably to combat Zen 6 CPUs.

Source:
https://quasarzone.com/bbs/qf_cmr/views/2545937

They’ve got the 3nm deal with TSMC already, so I think it makes sense. Maybe they’ll utilise a more performant version of the base 3nm fab process? The deal they’ve agreed with TSMC is reported to be expensive.

Personally, don’t find a refresh at all surprising, Intel has done this for just about every single major CPU architecture, for at least one generation.
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That'd have to be some refresh to make up the current difference + potentially go above Z6
 
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cebri said:
Zen 6 is 2026, I believe ARL refresh was cancelled according to some leakers. Unless they can produce a Zen+, it would be a waste of effort.

Btw, asrock has released a new BIOS with 0x112 ucode
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Zen 6 is due in 2025, according to wikipedia. Earlier leak about arrow lake refresh was probably made in bad faith :D

Intel ofc, wants to release the rest of ARL before they even think about talking officially about a 16th gen. refresh.

‘Raptor Cove’ maxed out at 6.2 boost clocks (not all core), so they have some catching up to do.
 
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g67575 said:
Zen 6 is due in 2025, according to wikipedia. Earlier leak about arrow lake refresh was probably made in bad faith :D

Intel ofc, wants to release the rest of ARL before they even think about talking officially about a 16th gen. refresh.
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AMD follows a 2 year cadence I don’t think that’s changed… right? If I were AMD I would have delayed the 3D parts until Q1/2 2025. Zen5 vanilla is already beating ARL in gaming, and MT performance is very good.

Edit: unless there is a PTL desktop version somewhere but I think that’s completely discarded.
 
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The general plan seems to be to move away from TSMC manufacturing of CPUs, but I don’t think Intel can do that by the end of 2025:
www.tomshardware.com

Intel outlines plan to break free from TSMC manufacturing — 70% of Panther Lake at Intel fabs, Nova Lake almost entirely in-house

Good days are coming for Intel.
www.tomshardware.com www.tomshardware.com

But they can for some products like PL, apparently on first gen 18a. Seems like the low end stuff will still be TSMC based.

Once they can produce 2nm class chips at scale, they won’t need TSMC anymore (except for IO dies etc) but that probably won’t be until 2026 or 2027.
 
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Interesting to read the CEO discussing what will probably be the 17th gen, in 2026:

With Nova Lake, we definitely have some SKUs that we are looking at continuing to leverage externally, but the large majority of Nova Lake and more of the additional tiles have come back in-house as well," the chief executive of Intel said.
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Well was looking forward to this release but having seen all the reviews on youtube I have not seen a good thing about them. I love new tech but having a 14700kf I cant see the point of upgrading. Whats every ones views on it, anyone else not going to bother?
 
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It seems like you could build a cheap ‘AI PC’ next year, and still get the main benefit of the 15th gen. The NPU is reported to be the same, unless they cut it down in the lower end ARL CPUs next year. Would be fine with cheap motherboard , cheap RAM.

I wonder if there will be low end laptops with NPUs as well? Suppose thats the point of Arrow Lake-M.
 
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Griff7520 said:
Well was looking forward to this release but having seen all the reviews on youtube I have not seen a good thing about them. I love new tech but having a 14700kf I cant see the point of upgrading. Whats every ones views on it, anyone else not going to bother?
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bit pointless

still running my stopgap 10400f but undecided might just get a 14600kf but interested in how these new ones evolve after some patches ect
 
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Whats every ones views on it, anyone else not going to bother?
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Yeah, it doesn't really offer you anything on a 14700KF. Intel consider 5 years to be the normal/optimal upgrade point and it is looking like that's how long it will take, apart from some workstation workloads where time is money (though in that case, you'd probably be looking at a threadripper or xeon PC anyway).
 
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