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Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851

Probly a side grade but wanted the extra features of the z890 boards looking forward to this new build once i actually get time to do so. Looking at benchmarks mostly beats my 12900k heater. Also after selling board cpu and ram and some other bits i had lieing around a free upgrade.
 
looking at all the charts the 15th gen still looks to be better in everything outside of gaming or am I reading this wrong ?

3d modeling is fast becoming a hobby for millions of people know three who have taken it up in the last two months to complement "Warhammer" well the 1000's of myrid games that are not but will use that word to keep it simple
 
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looking at all the charts the 15th gen still looks to be better in everything outside of gaming or am I reading this wrong ?

3d modeling is fast becoming a hobby for millions of people know three who have taken it up in the last two months to complement "Warhammer" well the 1000's of myrid games that are not but will use that word to keep it simple
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It’s very good for everything but gaming. But Zen5 does look like the most well rounded platform. Most 3D modeling is done using GPU accelerators, so for example Blender benchmarks are a bit misleading because they do not represent the most common workloads.
 
cebri said:
It’s very good for everything but gaming. But Zen5 does look like the most well rounded platform. Most 3D modeling is done using GPU accelerators, so for example Blender benchmarks are a bit misleading because they do not represent the most common workloads.
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cheers was wondering
 
Meridian said:
This. I have a 9820X at 4.8GHz and no reason to replace it unless it dies. Which it probably will at nearly six year sold. But I want quad-channel RAM.
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yep a lot of people still using 2066 X299 because of the high amount of PCIe lanes and the quad channel mem set up, especially artists and content creators, a lot of them moved on to Threadrippers because they dont want to wait for ever with Intel
 
It's the inconsistency that's the killer

OptimumTech hasn't even put out a review for the 285k, today in his 9800x3d he says he won't be because the 285k won't work properly - he says when he tries to benchmark the 285k, every benchmark run comes out with different numbers, you can run the same game benchmark 10 different times and get 10 different numbers, no consistency
 
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jms198 said:
It wasn't ready :( seems to be a common assessment.

I hope they iron out the bugs. I was hoping for a new best in class and it's arguably competitive with last gen ATM.
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It certainly has quite a ‘beta’ feel to it. What we got was plan B, they never intended to have to pay TSMC to fab. the compute dies / CPU cores for them. 20a would have been a significant technical achievement, but I suppose Intel are hoping that they can still win the race towards volume production of 2nm class CPUs, with the ‘18a’ process.

Laptops / low power devices are huge part of the market, and it looks like their main plan will be 18a for mobile CPUs towards the end of 2025. Presumably, their server CPUs will gain an advantage also in 2025, if they can fab them on 18a.

We never got to see what kind of clock rates were possible on the 20a process, which is a shame….
 
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This is a good watch with Mr Hallock


Going off what Robert has said Intel has identified several issues with the MC / BIOS and also the OS, which they will be releasing fixes to correct as it wasn't the performance they were expecting internally. They will also be releasing some sort of issue tracker.
 
RSR said:
This is a good watch with Intel's Mr Hallock
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Robert is good people and will be beneficial to Intel. :)
 
throwaway4372 said:
that's clickbait
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Mmm kind of. They mentioned they introduced a change that slowdown that particular process significantly but the point still stands. Software can make a significant change, just look at Intel Arc 12 months ago.

Edit: the most interesting thing is that he goes back to the promise of close to 14900K performance in gaming on average.
 
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cebri said:
Mmm kind of. They mentioned they introduced a change that slowdown that particular process significantly but the point still stands. Software can make a significant change, just look at Intel Arc 12 months ago.

Edit: the most interesting thing is that he goes back to the promise of close to 14900K performance in gaming on average.
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Well yeah Robert didn't say the 285k is gonna blow away amd, he says the new bios and windows updates will put the 285k back where Intel's benchmarks showed it - which still puts it well behind AMD's best but it would at least put it on par with the 14900k while using less power
 
Well, I wish them luck in fixing their 15th gen lineup by December. It’s good to see a full acknowledgment of the issues, even though they phrase it like it’s not a widespread problem. 80ns latency minimum isn’t ideal, but maybe it doesn’t impact performance as much as previously thought.

You have to wonder why it wasn’t delayed, there is no way they could have missed these issues before launch. Intel is too rigid when it comes to launch dates, a few more months to ‘cook’ might’ve been better. I wonder if it was a revenue based decision, not to delay? They might think it’s better to stick to a regular release cycle, each year.

I think they can count their new series as a win, if they can at least match performance (1% lows) of the 14900K in nearly every title, but ideally show a clear improvement.

Good performance and products has got to come before investor expectations.

One thing that’s still not clear to me is - Was the current Arrow Lake design fabbed on 3nm TSMC, a backport from the presumably much superior Intel 20a process?

It’s never a good idea to raise expectations with a new technology (shown clearly on Intel slides) only to fallback to a less sophisticated design.
 
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In that hot hardware interview, they asked Robert if Intel is planning to introduce 3D Vcache to its future CPUs, to which Robert smiled and said "I can't talk about that right now"


It's hard to know if he smiled simply because he knows it's something everyone is talking about or if he smiled because Intel does have Vcache in its roadmap for future architecture
 
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