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Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851
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The bloke in the vid said they are working on getting a list together and hope to report back to the comumity end of nov first week of december
First update, whether its part of the fixes I doubt it, is out for some boards and it seems to disable DLVR voltage override.
The BIOS DLVR can still be re-enabled if you hook up LN2 cooling, but otherwise it's going to be disabled, limiting voltage control options for overclockers
The BIOS DLVR can still be re-enabled if you hook up LN2 cooling, but otherwise it's going to be disabled, limiting voltage control options for overclockers
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Indeed, I do wonder how many of the issues will be "fixable" with a bios\windows update
No vcache for Intel desktop CPUs in 2025:
videocardz.com
But vcache is planned to be used in Xeon server CPUs next year. Maybe they don’t think it would be competitive, or the production cost would be too high?
Intel is gonna have a bad time.
Intel has no immediate plans for Core Series with "3D V-Cache", but confirms large cache for future Xeon CPUs - VideoCardz.com
Intel confirms response to “3D V-Cache” for next year, just not for gamers AMD offers 3D V-Cache products across both data center and consumer markets. The second-generation X3D is now available with the Ryzen 7 9800X3D processor, which is technically available to all consumers. However...
videocardz.com
But vcache is planned to be used in Xeon server CPUs next year. Maybe they don’t think it would be competitive, or the production cost would be too high?
Intel is gonna have a bad time.
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No vcache for Intel desktop CPUs in 2025:
Intel has no immediate plans for Core Series with "3D V-Cache", but confirms large cache for future Xeon CPUs - VideoCardz.com
Intel confirms response to “3D V-Cache” for next year, just not for gamers AMD offers 3D V-Cache products across both data center and consumer markets. The second-generation X3D is now available with the Ryzen 7 9800X3D processor, which is technically available to all consumers. However...
But vcache is planned to be used in Xeon server CPUs next year. Maybe they don’t think it would be competitive, or the production cost would be too high?
Intel is gonna have a bad time.
The response from Intel is lame. They say they won't put Vcache on desktop CPUs because it's only good for gaming, but they give Vcache to server CPU which doesn't play games?
We'll if Intel thinks they can beat AMD's gaming performance without cache then more power to them, let's see how the gamble goes.. or maybe Intel doesn't care about gaming performance anymore
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I think it’s virtually impossible that Intel could compete with AMD on gaming by late 2025. Given the large advantage they already have with the 9800X3D.
I don’t think Intel will be able to catch up until they release 2nm desktop CPUs, presumably in late 2026.
I think the Arrow Lake refresh series will give Zen 6 CPUs without vcache some competition. Notably, both will make use of different TSMC 3nm fab. processes.
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It shouldn’t, although differences in that “review” are tiny. I don’t know if I would trust the results from a guy that opened a review channel this year.
He's not the only one, several people have come up with the same thing - SSDs run slower and games take longer to load. Yeah not massive difference, talking like 10-15% performance degradation vs 12th, 13th and 14th gen but still annoying. Tom's Hardware's 285k showed the same thing, they specifically benchmarked game load times for their review and found the same thing
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Which part is slower? Is it the bus? With 13th-14th gen PCI-E instability was one of the symptoms of a degraded/bad CPU, so maybe Intel turned things down, or it is something occurring from the changed design?
It could be that tiles and added latency could be impacting BW. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is one of the issues identified by Intel
24% faster at 1080p. Very in line with other results, imo on the high side because HUB has more cache loving games in their test suite.
Caporegime
45 games, a higher selection than anyone else.
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Also tbf the newer the game the more likely it is to take advantage of the V-cache.
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Who the heck plays at 1080p these days?
I certainly didn't buy a 4080 Super to play at 1080p, but there are competitive gamers who play at like 1080p 360Hz, etc. and I still play at 1080p on my laptop, 1280x800 even if using my Legion Go.
For both these vendors a bigger cash cow is the server market. AMD is absolutely dominating this sector right now, so from a business perspective it makes sense for Intel to try and reclaim some of this. 1% of the sever market it more commercially attractive than 1% of the enthusiast/gamer market.
There a many different workloads with different data I/O characteristics for server compute, so Intel might see a section of this market where vcache works well.
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