Intel Haswell Refresh Processors Codenamed Devil’s Canyon – Launching in Mid 2014 With Unlocked Desi

~Mike~ · 22 May 2014 at 21:02

That's a bit annoying.

RavenXXX2 · 22 May 2014 at 21:07

There is a **** load of 4770k and 4670k on the market, Intel will want to get them shifted and so delay the new chips, look for price drops on the 4th gen K chips.

setter · 22 May 2014 at 21:17

RavenXXX2 said:
There is a **** load of 4770k and 4670k on the market, Intel will want to get them shifted and so delay the new chips, look for price drops on the 4th gen K chips.

Ive looked at a few of those, though non seem to be great clockers. Last good one was your old chip. Was gonna make an offer on it but wage issues at work ruled that out at that time.

cwgk91 · 22 May 2014 at 21:30

Main problem is that I'm not on the MM yet so will be hard to find a decent clocker

unless I try ebay but had a bad experience on there recently

Eurofighter · 22 May 2014 at 21:46

I'm waiting for Haswell-E. Not cheap but it will be better than Devil's Canyon and early Broadwell chips. Hopefully it will have the sqme TIM improvements as Devil's Canyon.

5960X on x99 with DDR4.

RavenXXX2 · 22 May 2014 at 21:56

setter said:
Ive looked at a few of those, though non seem to be great clockers. Last good one was your old chip. Was gonna make an offer on it but wage issues at work ruled that out at that time.

Yeah hard to come by a decent clocker. Hold out for the devil, it's bound to clock better and run cooler than what we have now.

setter · 22 May 2014 at 22:00

RavenXXX2 said:
Yeah hard to come by a decent clocker. Hold out for the devil, it's bound to clock better and run cooler than what we have now.

Might do if dc doesnt require a new mobo.

rare · 22 May 2014 at 22:27

If this is true then it sucks. Guess its more time to save.

jh30uk · 22 May 2014 at 23:31

wazza300 · 22 May 2014 at 23:33

turn that frown upside down

I wanna see the Pentium g3528

RetrogamerX · 23 May 2014 at 08:20

Boomstick777 said:
Pricing on 4790K is going up at sites in the USA so hopefully we will get something in early June..

I thought prices are going up on 4790k in the US? What happened there?

joeyjojo · 23 May 2014 at 08:34

Boomstick777 said:
4770K is still a decent chip, a massive upgrade from your AMD setup.

At risk of derailing the thread - with a 290X (as cwgk91 has), a 5 GHz+ 8350 (as cwgk91 has) is probably going to be indistinguishable from any Intel based machine at anything like playable resolutions and quality settings (1080P+, high+ settings), except maybe in some very poorly threading games. I would definitely not bother making that switch.

Calling it a "massive" upgrade is nonsense.

cwgk91 · 23 May 2014 at 08:36

In poorly threaded games, yes definitely. I doubt I will see much of a difference in things like bf4 as they use as many threads as you throw at them. As will all the mantle games. However, I do play games like arma and world of tanks, both of which are crap from a coding point of view, so I will probably see a large difference in those.

Overall, I'm happy with my 8350, but Im bored and want to change mainly

Eurofighter · 23 May 2014 at 08:47

cwgk91 said:
In poorly threaded games, yes definitely. I doubt I will see much of a difference in things like bf4 as they use as many threads as you throw at them. As will all the mantle games. However, I do play games like arma and world of tanks, both of which are crap from a coding point of view, so I will probably see a large difference in those.

Overall, I'm happy with my 8350, but Im bored and want to change mainly

I would spend the money on another 290x or save.

Boomstick777 · 23 May 2014 at 09:19

joeyjojo said:
At risk of derailing the thread - with a 290X (as cwgk91 has), a 5 GHz+ 8350 (as cwgk91 has) is probably going to be indistinguishable from any Intel based machine at anything like playable resolutions and quality settings (1080P+, high+ settings), except maybe in some very poorly threading games. I would definitely not bother making that switch.

Calling it a "massive" upgrade is nonsense.

A 4770K will provide a massive FPS boost with a 290X, min and max will benefit massively. A FX 8350 is a bottleneck. Even at 5Ghz, power hungry and slow. The 4770K is a massive upgrade in terms of performance, power use and platform. To say otherwise is nonsense

nashathedog · 23 May 2014 at 09:24

cwgk91 said:
So annoyed now! Will have to be a z97 with a 4770k

You've got an okay rig so just wait and keep saving up while you wait, If there holding back from releasing the best z97 overclocking motherboards until the Canyon's release it's worth waiting a bit longer and getting the better parts when there released.

alex_123_fra · 23 May 2014 at 09:29

Boomstick777 said:
A 4770K will provide a massive FPS boost with a 290X, min and max will benefit massively. A FX 8350 is a bottleneck. Even at 5Ghz, power hungry and slow. The 4770K is a massive upgrade in terms of performance, power use and platform. To say otherwise is nonsense

Sweeping generalisation as usual Boom. Many of us have proven that with a single 780/780ti, 290/290x even in poorly threaded games/benches, the difference is minimal if running a 4.8/5GHz FX 83x0 CPU. Joey's point is valid. For 2 x cards of that power, I'd agree re: the bottleneck issue.

Please don't lead people to waste their money.

Boomstick777 · 23 May 2014 at 09:44

alex_123_fra said:
Sweeping generalisation as usual Boom. Many of us have proven that with a single 780/780ti, 290/290x even in poorly threaded games/benches, the difference is minimal if running a 4.8/5GHz FX 83x0 CPU. Joey's point is valid. For 2 x cards of that power, I'd agree re: the bottleneck issue.

Please don't lead people to waste their money.

Or maybe coming from someone who actually uses all this stuff..

4770K is the best gaming CPU, the best performance per watt..

It's a massive upgrade from the AMD stuff. The OP who mentioned it wants a change from AMD. The 4770K would be a massive upgrade. Nothing wrong with telling him that. The weird guys here that love AMD don't see past the brand name..

You guys are to touchy

, AMD have admitted defeat with current FX, and are moving away from it. There really is no need for you guys to keep defending it at this point. Blind brand loyalty just makes people buy inferior products.. I think you're the one leading people to waste money on a dead platform with power hungry slow CPU's.. Oh well :rolleyes:

4770K and Z97 makes sense, much better CPU, future upgrade options. Hopefully the OP won't listen to the AMD fanboys, and go with common sense on this one.

alex_123_fra · 23 May 2014 at 09:58

If someone already has a 4.8+ GHz FX83x0 CPU paired to one of the above mentioned cards, they are not going to see "massive" increases in fps as you put it. That's just reality. If buying a totally new system, of course a 4770k and Z97 make sense.

Re: fanboi-ism, I don't think anyone would call me an AMD "fan". You with intel on the other hand...

joeyjojo · 23 May 2014 at 10:03

Nobody is arguing that Intel don't have the edge in gaming. It's just generally not a "massive upgrade" as you said.

Skyrim and Shogun are the two classic "Intel-friendly" games. They even say in the article you linked from:

Many modern games make little use of the CPU, instead ploughing resources into the GPU, making the CPU’s impact on high-resolution performance difficult to test. As such, we’ve drafted in the Elder Scrolls: Skyrim, one of the easier games in our 3D benchmark suite, as well as a GeForce GTX 680 2GB to remove as many of the graphical limitations as possible....

Total War games have been making grown PCs cry ever since the original Shogun was released in 2000. The many units, model animations, AI routines and the usual physics and object collision make Shogun 2 as hard a task to run for the CPU as the graphics card.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2013/06/01/intel-core-i7-4770k-cpu-review/6

In other words they've intentionally picked two quite unusually CPU-intensive games to show as big a difference as possible. Passing this off as typical as you've done is very naughty!

It's much more common to see very small differences between processors, especially at high settings/resolution. For the benefit of readers who might believe you're providing unbiased information:

F1 is a strange one as it seems to be memory limited on the AMD. Note this is 3rd gen Intel, but the improvements to 4th gen were small, a few %.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/fx-8350-core-i7-3770k-gaming-bottleneck,review-32616-3.html