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Intel Nova Lake (16th gen) on next gen platform/socket (LGA-XXXX)

adamsleath said:
i found i could still slaughter the noobs at 60 fps XD
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TBF once you have played at high FPS dropping down to 60 is like walking in sand.
im not saying you cant play at 60 but you can feel the differance

my son as my old 1080 240Hz screen. i went from that to 1440 165hz but didn't set the refresh rate right and i was playing at 60hz for a bit and it was just horrible like a had a system problem or something
 
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You don't miss what you've never known. Ive only ever gamed at 60Hz. basically 100% of it at 1080p.
yes, higher fps is handy though. to a point. played plenty with v sync on. some players like 120fps/120Hz. I can't even imagine higher than that.

server lag is the only thing that annoyed me. Havent looked much at monitors lately, but i think there are reasonably priced high refresh rate ones around.

demographics of spending limits is a thing. of the 1 billion or more pc gamers. (some estimates are higher) there are plenty that are not in the high end. ie they arent paying 700 aud , or more, for a cpu. not even 500.

im assuming without knowing that 10%, perhaps 20%? are in the high mid range to top end hardware. which leaves a lot of lower specced stuff for the remaining majority.
 
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I 100% felt the difference going from 60fps to 120fps, not so much from 120 to 240
also the desktop experience is better from 60 to 120+ its very noticable to me scrolling, moving windows etc

now whenever I use screen stuck at 60 its horrible its blurry and makes me dizzy
 
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that's the nature of it. once you step up there is no going back.

something to mull over. plenty of affordable 120Hz monitors. now i have to look for 120hz monitors. it never ends :p :(
but i dont have 120fps 1440p yet. im aware there is g sync etc. but nothing beats real frames imo

I have time. I'm patient.
 
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Latest rumours are that Nova Lake (next gen for desktop following Arrow Lake) will feature 180MB of LLC (Intel 's version of X3D).

If I were Intel, I'd be hoping to release this sooner than the estimated 2026 release date. Letting AMD run wild with 9800X3D until then will seriously hurt their sales.

www.club386.com

Intel Nova Lake could be Arrow Lake's succesor on desktop | Club386

Intel’s next consumer desktop architecture will be called Nova Lake as Panther Lake seemingly targets mobile devices only.
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Arrow Lake Refresh should be coming in 2025. Probably the best time to release vcache CPUs.

18a (18a-P?) planned in 2026 in volume production, presumably will that be Nova Lake CPUs /16th gen CPUs.
 
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g67575 said:
Arrow Lake Refresh should be coming in 2025. Probably the best time to release vcache CPUs.

18a (18a-P?) planned in 2026 in volume production, presumably will that be Nova Lake CPUs /16th gen CPUs.
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I don't think AL is fixable with something like V cache.
 
g67575 said:
Arrow Lake Refresh should be coming in 2025. Probably the best time to release vcache CPUs.

18a (18a-P?) planned in 2026 in volume production, presumably will that be Nova Lake CPUs /16th gen CPUs.
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I think the chances of this are near zero. Unless there is a desktop version of PTL I doubt we’ll see a ARL refresh that is not sh**, 0.1 increase in frequency will not cut it this time.
 
A refresh of Arrow Lake is by far the most likely thing in 2025.

Intel always releases something each year, even small improvements.

The thing that is uncertain is how far along their vcache CPUs are.

There will be an updated roadmap, soon enough.
 
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g67575 said:
A refresh of Arrow Lake is by far the most likely thing in 2025.

Intel always releases something each year, even small improvements.

The thing that is uncertain is how far along their vcache CPUs are.

There will be an updated roadmap, soon enough.
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Who knows. AMD engineers begged the management allow them to skip a gen to be able to build Zen. It seems to me that Intel has good laptop, OEM and DC cpus to focus on an ARL refresh that would generate another batch of bad reviews with hyperbolic takes.
 
Joxeon said:
The latency is pretty terrible on AL which is probably the reason gaming is bad so Vcache could give it a bigger boost than even AMDs Vcache chips.
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Problems, and latency is part of it, go beyond something fixable with cache IMO, thread management and E core scheduling, etc. the design seems to have some fundamental limitations at the hardware level which can't easily be fixed without significant reworking.
 
Rroff said:
Problems, and latency is part of it, go beyond something fixable with cache IMO, thread management and E core scheduling, etc. the design seems to have some fundamental limitations at the hardware level which can't easily be fixed without significant reworking.
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Yes, this can be seen in the Cinebench scores where ARL takes top spot in both Single and Multi-thread.

In years gone past this would indicate pretty good performance across the board but not so now.

Cinebench has always been memory invariant which is probably why ARL has such good showing but in those many games and applications that aren't memory invariant we can see it perform relatively terribly.

This would also help to explain why X3D seems to mitigate latency etc and still perform well irrespective of memory speed etc.

Intel needs to bring out their V-Cache solution sooner rather than later as like you I don't see large gains across the board from whatever tweaks they can implement in ARL.
 
Arrow Lake was Intel's first attempt at chiplets on desktop. It's not bad for their first attempt - though obviously much inferior to 13th, 14th gen and Zen5/Zen5X3D.

An Arrow Lake refresh is guaranteed, as Intel need to release something 'new' before now and Nova Lake in 2026. So far all rumours point to just a tiny clock speed increase on Arrow Lake though - so no architecture, IPC or cache changes. Nothing exciting, just more of the same turd on a dead end socket.
 
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Looks like Intel messed up the firmware for Arrow-Lake so performance should improve with a few updates.

Still not an amazing product though and all the hype has gone to AMD so even die hard Intel users are switching - this will probably impact Nova-lake too if Intel don't sort themselves out.
 
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JollyJamma said:
Looks like Intel messed up the firmware for Arrow-Lake so performance should improve with a few updates.

Still not an amazing product though and all the hype has gone to AMD so even die hard Intel users are switching - this will probably impact Nova-lake too if Intel don't sort themselves out.
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Firmware updates can't fix Arrow-Lake - it'll never out perform 13th/14th gen in gaming, which is one of the most important metrics for consumers.
 
JollyJamma said:
www.pcworld.com

Intel pledges to 'fix' Arrow Lake after launch 'didn't go as planned'

Intel vice president Robert Hallock said on Friday that Intel is investigating what went wrong with its Arrow Lake desktop processor launch, and that it would fix it.
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Yeah I'm aware of this information from Intel. 13th/14th gen (13900K/S, 14900K/S) will continue to outperform it in games. Arrow Lake is still dead in the water, on a dead end platform.

Nova Lake is Intel's only hope!
 
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