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Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017
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If you want good speeds on Ryzen for ram you need a bit of luck with your cpu, a decent motherboard and high quality b die ram.
I had corsair lpx 3200, max speed completely stable 2933cl16. Swapped for 8 pack 3200 ram and now stable at 3466c15. It boots at 3600 but eventually crashes under load. This is an area along with cpu clock speed that AMD can look to improve.
Intel is ahead on both currently but you pay a serious premium in price for it.
I had corsair lpx 3200, max speed completely stable 2933cl16. Swapped for 8 pack 3200 ram and now stable at 3466c15. It boots at 3600 but eventually crashes under load. This is an area along with cpu clock speed that AMD can look to improve.
Intel is ahead on both currently but you pay a serious premium in price for it.
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You will have a job keeping up with all the changes and revisions.
I do use the 8 cores of my 1700, my reason for getting it. I do my fare share of video converting, the 8700k should have no problem beating the 1700 once overclocked. (Judging by the leaks)
However, an 8 core kaby could be worth waiting for. Which means a new mobo knowing intel. Argh.
It's not out until 2H '18, so you've got a while to play with the Z370.
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Where did you spot that? So maybe a possibility that 8 cores are coming with Ice Lake next year.
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-z390-to-support-8c16t-cpus-in-h2-2018
I'll prob swap out again yeah. If its worth it. Somehow I don't see this 8c being £350
I'll prob swap out again yeah. If its worth it. Somehow I don't see this 8c being £350
Might just about have the BIOS's sorted by then.
Well, if 10nm reaches the density they market it as reaching (100 million transistors per mm2, up from the current 37.5 million on 14nm), then I can definitely see them releasing some 8 core consumer parts, but that's 1 year away.
Why? The 1700 is £260 and Intel have to address that at some point as I can't see them holding out until 2019-2020.
If leaks are to be believed then the 8700k is £350. Intel don't care about ryzen that much otherwise prices of current stock would have reduced.
In the medium-term, Intel have few options but to up the core counts, and also ensure some realistic pricing competition. I would be surprised if they keep it at such a high premium, since they are going to be losing a lot of market share in the 1P/2P data centre market, so they'll want to hang on to the desktop segment as much as possible. If AMD pull 7nm out of the bag with a significant increase in clocks, and a slightly improved IPC, Intel may end up playing catch up for a whole generation. Billions of dollars on the table, you can't call peoples bluff forever, people will eventually realise that AMD has the better hand, and Intel marketing can only do so much to prevent this taking hold.
The next 2-3 years will be pivotal for AMD to maximise their impact on all market segments, but Intel will be facing the embarrassment if they let it happen for a second time, not to mention the wrath of the shares holders.
This is if devs can get multicore sorted. As Ive already said, ryzen in some games gets beaten by an i3. AMD need to address this.
Competitive gamers will pay extra if it provides extra performance in their favourite game, think mmo's etc
I understand you are upset about the disregard, but give the guy a break, he's been getting grief from people for no reason other than trying to explain his issues, and why he feels moving platform will be beneficial.
As muon rightly said, getting anything above 3200 isn't a given, even with the correct speed RAM, even using the best modules. Yet it will happily boot at 3466/3600 under the right conditions and never have an issue with stability. I have seen this myself, and it's not board specific sadly, it just seems to be that most people have only one comparison to go on, or haven't tried to get above 3200MHz.
Let's cool this off a bit, and try and be grown up about it all, I am sure nobody wants a suspension or a ban (not targeting anyone here), but having slagging matches isn't helpful. Banter is fine, but some of the posts end up catching people in the heat of the moment and they might post something they regret, or wouldn't normally.
Oh stop, he's not a victim. he's certainly not 'the' victim. if, then only of himself.
We aren't talking games though, we are talking Desktop. The prices isn't driven by the 'K' series, it's driven by the other SKU's, and market share isn't gained with Enthusiast it's gained and sustained with the millions of Dell/HP/Lenovo systems that are shipped worldwide every year. On the face of things it is easy to think that gamer and enthusiast generate huge sums of money for Intel but it's not the case, in Q1 alone this year they were running at nearly €15 billion, at crazy margins of over 60%!!! The majority was though their Client Computing Group which incorporates the enthusiast market, but also all of these other desktops, which accounted for $8 billion of that $15.
Look at the AMD Athlon 64 as an example the £100 3000+ that came out in December 2003, it took Intel way too long to respond all the way until Q3 '04 when they took anywhere from 20-35% off the higher end models, it was more common place for that to occur, since these days they just replace the range, and a new chipset/socket and forget about the old ones. Well AMD aren't operating under that banner, they want to keep the old model of sustaining a socket as long as possible, giving access to ever larger range of products a significant price ranges from the super low end, all the way up, this in itself will cause a headache for the people over at Intel, since they have to consider a counter to this, OEM's build boards, on the same socket for years, with little R&D cost, just drop in a new CPU... what's not to like if you are big business?
TL;DR
Intel will almost certainly be forced to reduce prices, and in turn the enthusiast prices will drop along the way.
As said, this thread has been derailed into ryzen vs 8700k and people participating have neither
If you have no interest in cofeelake then leave, go troll the numerous ryzen threads.
By doing that you may get over the thoughts that ryzen has no issues once you start reading peoples experiences seeing as you have none of your own.