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Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

Journey said:
We aren't talking games though, we are talking Desktop. The prices isn't driven by the 'K' series, it's driven by the other SKU's, and market share isn't gained with Enthusiast it's gained and sustained with the millions of Dell/HP/Lenovo systems that are shipped worldwide every year. On the face of things it is easy to think that gamer and enthusiast generate huge sums of money for Intel but it's not the case, in Q1 alone this year they were running at nearly €15 billion, at crazy margins of over 60%!!! The majority was though their Client Computing Group which incorporates the enthusiast market, but also all of these other desktops, which accounted for $8 billion of that $15.

Look at the AMD Athlon 64 as an example the £100 3000+ that came out in December 2003, it took Intel way too long to respond all the way until Q3 '04 when they took anywhere from 20-35% off the higher end models, it was more common place for that to occur, since these days they just replace the range, and a new chipset/socket and forget about the old ones. Well AMD aren't operating under that banner, they want to keep the old model of sustaining a socket as long as possible, giving access to ever larger range of products a significant price ranges from the super low end, all the way up, this in itself will cause a headache for the people over at Intel, since they have to consider a counter to this, OEM's build boards, on the same socket for years, with little R&D cost, just drop in a new CPU... what's not to like if you are big business?

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Intel will almost certainly be forced to reduce prices, and in turn the enthusiast prices will drop along the way.
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Very valid points, they certainly don't seem worried at the moment however.
 
gavinh87 said:
As said, this thread has been derailed into ryzen vs 8700k and people participating have neither :)
If you have no interest in cofeelake then leave, go troll the numerous ryzen threads.
By doing that you may get over the thoughts that ryzen has no issues once you start reading peoples experiences seeing as you have none of your own.
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You derailed it, all i did was point out, in a 6 core Intel thread with my £200 Intel CPU and £450 nVidia GPU why 4 core CPU's were obsolete, that to you was like a red rag to bull, you completely lost your mind and went on some strange attack bringing Ryzen into it while at it.

You literaly blew your top in a fit of rage, like WTF?
 
humbug said:
You derailed it, all i did was point out, in a 6 core Intel thread with my £200 Intel and £450 nVidia GPU why 4 core CPU's were obsolete, that to you was like a red rag to bull, you completely lost your mind and went on some strange attack bringing Ryzen into it while at it.
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No, you claimed that ryzen could beat your 4690k @ 4.5ghz in insurgency.
I have no doubt that 4 cores are dead, I've actually been saying the same damn thing.
 
gavinh87 said:
No, you claimed that ryzen could beat your 4690k @ 4.5ghz in insurgency.
I have no doubt that 4 cores are dead, I've actually been saying the same damn thing.
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Later, in another conversation yes. why did you so intensely disagree with me if you were saying the same thing? you actually lied saying you ran the same test....
 
humbug said:
Later, in another conversation yes. why did you so intensely disagree with me if you were saying the same thing? you actually lied saying you ran the same test....
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I said quads are dead. In the game you showed however something was wrong.
I have posted in other threads showing quads are getting pegged at 100%. Insurgency isn't one that I've seen high usage.

"You will not be getting better framerates with ryzen than you will on a 4690k @ 4.5ghz. Frametimes, maybe" Is what I said, before that things were civil.

I did run the test, I would record it if afterburner was allowed to run but battleye has ruined that.
 
gavinh87 said:
Very valid points, they certainly don't seem worried at the moment however.
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Yeah, sadly there is not a great deal to worry about. They are running a very measured response, and once the AMD APU's are out things will start moving. If you think that sounds crazy, especially in relation to games, take a look at the top end in the GPU survey for Steam, 3% of users are on Intel HD 4000 & Intel "Haswell" the GTX 1070 has just 3.3%, and the GTX 1080 is at 1.6% - APU's, and all in one solutions are what Intel are waiting for. Until then the build cost for a Ryzen system is too high, and impractical for things like standard desktops. Basically, they have some breathing room still, but not for long! :D
 
humbug said:
I'll tell what Gavin... i'm about to play Insurgency with Pete, here is the stream https://www.twitch.tv/intrepid3d

You can even join us in Discord if you like, just say so i'll post an Invite...
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No need, I've just played a round myself with afterburner running.

1080p max settings. CPU load of 20%, 35% if i record.
No wonder you are hitting 100% if you are streaming on a quad core! I am watching your stream now.






Oh, and fyi. My max fps was around 120 uncapped.
Your stream is showing 150.
Your i5 is plenty for that game, just not while streaming.
 
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jigger said:
Well if the 8700K is 350 then Intel have some problems. Maybe Intel should just hold at £90-100 per core.
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Intel's main concerns are:
1. Server.
2. Desktop & laptop OEM volume sales.

Intel are clearly going to lose their almost monopoly in Server to AMD sales and it might get very serious for them.
I don't know enough about OEM sales to guess much how that will go generally.
But on the one hand consumer sales depend a lot on brand awareness and marketing so Intel have a massive advantage there.
On the other hand consumers like big numbers so when we see AMD desktops in PCWorld with more cores than Intel for the same or less money that also have good word of mouth they should do well.
But consumer desktops is becoming a smaller market so AMD need to succeed in business desktops which can be conservative.
Also they need to do really well in mobile as that is very important.
That's hard as they may be top heavy with too much focus on the GPU which might make the CPU seem average; interesting to see how that goes.
I don't think desktop APUs matter so much as you can just add a dGPU.

The doomsday scenario for Intel is a successful AMD plus a global financial downturn as they have such a large fixed cost base that they aren't exactly nimble.
Whereas AMD are so financially lite that they can weather downturns.
Their problem is the opposite in that they may struggle to supply the demand for their resurgent CPUs which will hurt them to a degree.
They need to not get carried away and over stretch themselves in trying to meet the demand in case it turns out to be short lived.
Managing large growth is not easy and has killed many companies.
I think they have very solid management now overall.
They just need a decent GPU department and the sky's the limit.
 
gavinh87 said:
No need, I've just played a round myself with afterburner running.

1080p max settings. CPU load of 20%, 35% if i record.
No wonder you are hitting 100% if you are streaming on a quad core! I am watching your stream now.






Oh, and fyi. My max fps was around 120 uncapped.
Your stream is showing 150.
Your i5 is plenty for that game, just not while streaming.
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He don't use CPU encode he uses shadow play which is GPU
 
@smilingcrow
You're beating the war drum a bit too early, have you seen Intel's Q2 2017 financial report? AMD needs to stay competitive for a few years before they can seriously chip away at Intel's market share in the relevant markets.
 
AndreiD said:
@smilingcrow
You're beating the war drum a bit too early, have you seen Intel's Q2 2017 financial report? AMD needs to stay competitive for a few years before they can seriously chip away at Intel's market share in the relevant markets.
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Hardly as I'm just pointing out the potential for AMD to impact Intel.
It's much too early for AMD to have impacted on Server sales much yet and they haven't even released an APU yet for mobile or desktop.
The potential is there but I'm not predicting Intel's decline.
Q2 2017 won't have been impacted by AMD to any significant degree; way too early.
 
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