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Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

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Martini1991 said:
Humbug has way slower RAM too though.
But I'll take 5% better performance clock for clock for Ryzen

But that means that because of clocks core for core Ryzen is still inferior to Haswell
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Its 2400Mhz Ram, for Haswell thats about as high as it will go 24/7. not that the ram makes any difference to Cinebench anyway.
 
Martini1991 said:
Humbug has way slower RAM too though.
But I'll take 5% better performance clock for clock for Ryzen

But that means that because of clocks core for core Ryzen is still inferior to Haswell
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Not all of them mine is a poor overclocker, but to be honest even though Ryzen excites me I already knew that for my usage Ryzen wasn't for me. That's why I decided to wait despite the yearning for new shiny, shiny.
 
humbug said:
I don't know why now they are banging on about the small IPC difference between Zen and Kabylake, thats really rich given they have been perfectly happy with incremental 3% upgrades since Sandy Bridge on the same 4 core mainstream.

AMD managed a 52% increase from one architecture to the next and put 16 Threads into the mainstream at an affordable price, and then 32 threads at £700 less than the cost of what was Intel's 20 thread flagship.

There has-to be a lot of hate for AMD to be that twisted.
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You have to ask yourself what would we have now if AMD haven't so crap for the last how many years.
Yes intel have been drip feeding us but this is what happens without competition.
I'm glad AMD are back and have forced intel into giving us more threads but this is partly AMD's fault too.

Hating AMD is a bit extreme, I have 2 AMD rigs and 1 AMD GPU.....
 
gavinh87 said:
You have to ask yourself what would we have now if AMD haven't so crap for the last how many years.
Yes intel have been drip feeding us but this is what happens without competition.
I'm glad AMD are back and have forced intel into giving us more threads but this is partly AMD's fault too.

Hating AMD is a bit extreme, I have 2 AMD rigs and 1 AMD GPU.....
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So now it's AMD's fault....Explain Gavin.
 
gavinh87 said:
You have to ask yourself what would we have now if AMD haven't so crap for the last how many years.
Yes intel have been drip feeding us but this is what happens without competition.
I'm glad AMD are back and have forced intel into giving us more threads but this is partly AMD's fault too.

Hating AMD is a bit extreme, I have 2 AMD rigs and 1 AMD GPU.....
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Its not extreme, not with the way some, a minority of you are behaving.

AMD don't set Intel policy, The only people who can influence Intel's policy are their own user base.

Blaming AMD for Intel's lack of innovation, high pricing and product stagnation is idiotic, wanting AMD to be competitive so that you can buy more Intel for less will change nothing at all about Intel, its not going to get you that, just more of the same.

You make Intel what and who they are, deal with it or live with it. AMD can't do anything about it other than offer an alternative.
 
jigger said:
So now it's AMD's fault....Explain Gavin.
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As I said, no competition brings little to no innovation.
If ryzen was released 3 years ago imagine what we would have now.

How about this? If intel were to keep pushing and have not stagnated the market where would ryzen be now? It would be another FX
 
voidshatter said:
Will the Ring topology still be good enough for 8C16T? I thought that Mesh has an advantage for anything over 6C12T?
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Can't say I've looked too much into mesh. The x299 don't interest me.
Though if it is correct that it helps in more than 6cores then the ringbus will be lacking. Perhaps this is why the 10nm intel slide shows a slight performance regression?
 
voidshatter said:
Will the Ring topology still be good enough for 8C16T? I thought that Mesh has an advantage for anything over 6C12T?
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Don't see why not, they were using ring in the 24 core Broadwell dies, 12 cores per ring seems to be the max they got to (the big Broadwells had 2 rings).
Mesh is generally for many core monolithic die stuff, they'll probably use ring for consumer dies and mesh for the Xeon dies.
 
gavinh87 said:
As I said, no competition brings little to no innovation.
If ryzen was released 3 years ago imagine what we would have now.
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LOL So AMD's fault. Maybe you want to go think the question over for a while Gavin. Ask yourself what or more to the point who is the problem.
 
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To be fair, Bulldozer had abysmal IPC, if they didn't have a huge IPC increase from Bulldozer as a baseline then Zen would have been a failure.
 
gavinh87 said:
As I said, no competition brings little to no innovation.
If ryzen was released 3 years ago imagine what we would have now.

How about this? If intel were to keep pushing and have not stagnated the market where would ryzen be now? It would be another FX
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If's and but's....

If what you want is AMD to do well so you can buy Intel then AMD will never do well and you will always be paying through the nose for 10 year old Intel crap re-branded.

You cannot have it both ways, if AMD are not doing well they cannot challenge Intel and if they ain't challenging Intel you get Sandy Bridge re-branded over and over and over....
 
jigger said:
LOL So AMD's fault. Maybe you want to go think the question over for while Gavin. Ask yourself what or more to the point who is the problem.
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Maybe you need to take the blinkers off and take a look at the reason why the market have become stagnated. What reason did Intel have to give us anything more? A little clock speed bump was enough to keep AMD at bay. Why spend money in R&D if what you have is enough to beat the competition for years to come?

If AMD's GPU division dont sort themselves out Nvidia will be heading the same way as Intel.....

humbug said:
If's and but's....

If what you want is AMD to do well so you can buy Intel then AMD will never do well and you will always be paying through the nose for 10 year old crap re-branded.
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You are forgetting I have x2 AMD CPUs.
 
gavinh87 said:
Maybe you need to take the blinkers off and take a look at the reason why the market have become stagnated. What reason did Intel have to give us anything more? A little clock speed bump was enough to keep AMD at bay. Why spend money in R&D if what you have is enough to beat the competition for years to come?

If AMD's GPU division dont sort themselves out Nvidia will be heading the same way as Intel.....



You are forgetting I have x2 AMD CPUs.
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I'm not.. i have an Intel CPU, so what?

You can't wait to go back to Intel, i can't wait to get this miserable 4 core out of my case, its an insult to my 2.1Ghz GTX 1070.
 
gavinh87 said:
Maybe you need to take the blinkers off and take a look at the reason why the market have become stagnated. What reason did Intel have to give us anything more? A little clock speed bump was enough to keep AMD at bay. Why spend money in R&D if what you have is enough to beat the competition for years to come?

If AMD's GPU division dont sort themselves out Nvidia will be heading the same way as Intel.....



You are forgetting I have x2 AMD CPUs.
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Gotcha. Intel make money from the ether so no need to develop anything.
 
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