Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

jigger · 18 Sep 2017 at 18:07

gavinh87 said:
Oh do shut up with this nonsense.

Remeber the last the time we had this discussion? Still as wrong now as you was then.

gavinh87 · 18 Sep 2017 at 18:09

humbug said:
You have a higher score despite being clocked lower.

Martini got 161 at the same clock speed, that's 5% higher IPC to his CPU.

What!? By 3 points lol.
Still nowhere near kabylake IPC is it?

Doobedoo · 18 Sep 2017 at 18:10

So is it bad to have Haswell levels of single thread performance? I've seen many a thread where people have said keep your cpu even older ones like the 2500-2600k.

So single thread it's on par with those cpu's that others have been told is fine for a while, and it offers much better multi plus likely has 5 years of lifespan, if you don't want to upgrade to Zen 2.

Not bad really still not kabylake levels but certainly no slouch.

gavinh87 · 18 Sep 2017 at 18:10

jigger said:
Remeber the last the time we had this discussion? Still as wrong now as you was then.

What the part with you posting crap? Yesterday it was the 1700 had the same performance as the the 6950x, today you are saying then game engines break at high refresh rates.

jigger · 18 Sep 2017 at 18:11

gavinh87 said:
What!? By 3 points lol.
Still nowhere near kabylake IPC is it?

Within small percentage. Yeah nowhere is it.

humbug · 18 Sep 2017 at 18:12

gavinh87 said:
What!? By 3 points lol.
Still nowhere near kabylake IPC is it?

Again you're not reading what i said, you scored higher with a lower clock speed, Martini got 161 at the same clock speed, do the maths, 153 vs 161 is +5% to Martini's Ryzen.

jigger · 18 Sep 2017 at 18:13

gavinh87 said:
What the part with you posting crap? Yesterday it was the 1700 had the same performance as the the 6950x, today you are saying then game engines break at high refresh rates.

No, that's just what you interpreted from what I said Gavin. You seem to get very confused.

gavinh87 · 18 Sep 2017 at 18:13

I'll leave this here

jigger · 18 Sep 2017 at 18:14

humbug said:
Again you're not reading what i said, you scored higher with a lower clock speed, Martini got 161 at the same clock speed, do the maths, 153 vs 161 is +5% to Martini's Ryzen.

So an unoticable difference. Yeah that's mile's off isn't it Gavin.

gavinh87 · 18 Sep 2017 at 18:16

humbug said:
You have a higher score despite being clocked lower.

Martini got 161 at the same clock speed, that's 5% higher IPC to his CPU.

Ignore

AndreiD · 18 Sep 2017 at 18:16

Doobedoo said:
So is it bad to have Haswell levels of single thread performance? I've seen many a thread where people have said keep your cpu even older ones like the 2500-2600k.

So single thread it's on par with those cpu's that others have been told is fine for a while, and it offers much better multi plus likely has 5 years of lifespan, if you don't want to upgrade to Zen 2.

Not bad really still not kabylake levels but certainly no slouch.

Nothing wrong with it, it's just that Ryzen is currently limited to 3.9~4.0Ghz. Ivy and Sandy might have lower IPC, but both of those can reach 4.5Ghz at least, reason why I don't think Ryzen is that amazing of an upgrade even if you have an unlocked Sandy. If you can use the threads then it becomes a lot more worth it, but that's not something your average PC gamer does.

Doobedoo · 18 Sep 2017 at 18:17

gavinh87 said:
I'll leave this here

14% between a 7th generation cpu an a 1st generation cpu. Am I reading that right?

Is it really that small.

gavinh87 · 18 Sep 2017 at 18:19

Doobedoo said:
14% between a 7th generation cpu an a 1st generation cpu. Am I reading that right?

Is it really that small.

Or you could say that AMD have a 4.2% improvement over a CPU released in 2013.

humbug · 18 Sep 2017 at 18:20

gavinh87 said:
I'll leave this here

So Ryzen is 5% higher than Haswell (fits with the difference between my Haswell and Martinit's Ryzen) and 8% lower than KabyLake, fair enough i under estimated Kabylake IPC

With makes my point even more....

humbug said:
Its actually about the same IPC as KabyLake, KabyLake has a clock speed advantage, Ryzen has a core advantage and a huge cost advantage, and better power consumption if you're interested in such things, makes them cheaper to cool, i guess.

Yes, The Ryzen 5 is able to keep the 7700K at arms length, its not more than 10% faster in most things, the 7700K is much faster in a few, but the Ryzen 5 is also able to keep better minimums is a few other things, smooth gameplay.

Its pretty clear when you look at these performance differences you're getting for the 7700K its less than its clock speed advantage, its not that Ryzen has better IPC, its maybe 1 or 2% less if anything, what Ryzen does have is more compute threads, more than the 7700K's 8.

In a 6 core Intel thread that is not an Insult to Intel, not anymore, something else you need to come to grips with, its just fact and a welcome one given we will now get 6 core CPU's from Intel too.

Doobedoo · 18 Sep 2017 at 18:21

AndreiD said:
Nothing wrong with it, it's just that Ryzen is currently limited to 3.9~4.0Ghz. Ivy and Sandy might have lower IPC, but both of those can reach 4.5Ghz at least, reason why I don't think Ryzen is that amazing of am upgrade even if you have an unlocked Sandy. If you can use the threads then it becomes a lot more worth.

That's the amazing part. It can hold it's own despite being on a process limited to 4.0 give or take. Imagine what it's capable of once it begins to mature and clockspeed is improved.

1st generation of a brand new architecture, not 4th, 6th 7th or 8th. C'mon credit where credit is due. How much did they spend on R&D compared to Intel?

Doobedoo · 18 Sep 2017 at 18:22

gavinh87 said:
Or you could say that AMD have a 4.2% improvement over a CPU released in 2013.

I see now lol.

jigger · 18 Sep 2017 at 18:27

Doobedoo said:
14% between a 7th generation cpu an a 1st generation cpu. Am I reading that right?

Is it really that small.

Pretty much unless you become fully hyped of course! Then the first gets crushed by the second and so on till you hit level gen 8 and off to the moon!

People need a little less hype and a little more feet on the ground Zen I think.

humbug · 18 Sep 2017 at 18:27

I don't know why now they are banging on about the small IPC difference between Zen and Kabylake, thats really rich given they have been perfectly happy with incremental 3% upgrades since Sandy Bridge on the same 4 core mainstream.

AMD managed a 52% increase from one architecture to the next and put 16 Threads into the mainstream at an affordable price, and then 32 threads at £700 less than the cost of what was Intel's 20 thread flagship.

There has-to be a lot of hate for AMD to be that twisted.

Martini1991 · 18 Sep 2017 at 18:31

Humbug has way slower RAM too though.
But I'll take 5% better performance clock for clock for Ryzen

But that means that because of clocks core for core Ryzen is still inferior to Haswell

jigger · 18 Sep 2017 at 18:31

humbug said:
I don't know why now they are banging on about the small IPC difference between Zen and Kabylake, thats really rich given they have been perfectly happy with incremental 3% upgrades since Sandy Bridge on the same 4 core mainstream.

AMD managed a 52% increase from one architecture to the next and put 16 Threads into the mainstream at an affordable price, and then 32 threads at £700 less than the cost of what was Intel's 20 thread flagship.

There has-to be a lot of hate for AMD to be that twisted.

It's beyond laughable isn't it.