Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

[Doobedoo]

The zombienation was around the x299 lol.
I've said a few times the bugs that I and others have experienced only to be told by people that dont even own the damn thing that I have faulty hardware lol.
Mostly its the hit and miss performance, in some games it can keep pace with an i7 and in other it loses to i5's and even i3's. Even in games that have received patches for ryzen still perform better on the i7's. I underestimated how important clock speed is.
My mistake, I know. But trying to tell people to not expect a performance loss from a 4.4 haswell to a 3.8 ryzen turns me into an anti AMD guy apparently.
Maybe I should keep shut and let them make the same mistake I did?

Yeah we heard all that it just seems strange to bicker with people over and over. If your getting a 8700k then fair enough that's what you want and no one can tell you different, but to get involved with the back and forth, coming across as someone who is bitter and full of buyers remorse is no good for anyone.

It's not a bad Cpu it's actually rather good but it's not for you and your needs. There we go I solved our problem. Now we can resume like semi-normal people

 

[Journey]

Or just wait for the inevertable price war that will ensue shortly.

Whut? Can you translate that please?

 

[gavinh87]

Yeah we heard all that it just seems strange to bicker with people over and over. If your getting a 8700k then fair enough that's what you want and no one can tell you different, but to get involved with the back and forth, coming across as someone who is bitter and full of buyers remorse is no good for anyone.

It's not a bad Cpu it's actually rather good but it's not for you and your needs. There we go I solved our problem. No we can resume like semi-normal people

I have been trying to lol, I even asked for the ryzen talk to be shifted into the numerous ryzen threads.

 

[jigger]

Yeah, around 4133 and 4266. But given the pricing, might worth for the long term.

Well going that high for a BCLK overclock it might help but Intel just arn't efficient enough with dual channel memory performance. I haven't done a huge amount of testing and it depends on the situation but Intel are about 30% behind now. Would be nice if Coffee Lake addresses that.

 

[gavinh87]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1184...fee-lakes-cpus-published-400-for-core-i78700k

i7-8700K 6/12 3.8 GHz £353.86
i7-8700 6/12 3.2 GHz £298.52
i5-8600K 6/6 3.6 GHz £250.50
i5-8400 6/6 2.8 GHz £177.40
i3-8350K 4/4 4.0 GHz £174.35
i3-8100 4/4 3.6 GHz £115.45

 

[jigger]

Whut? Can you translate that please?

Is that your problem. You can't understand posts?

 

[Doobedoo]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1184...fee-lakes-cpus-published-400-for-core-i78700k

i7-8700K 6/12 3.8 GHz £353.86
i7-8700 6/12 3.2 GHz £298.52
i5-8600K 6/6 3.6 GHz £250.50
i5-8400 6/6 2.8 GHz £177.40
i3-8350K 4/4 4.0 GHz £174.35
i3-8100 4/4 3.6 GHz £115.45

That i3 8350k is going to be a hard sell against the i5 8400. What's the boost clock like on the 8400?

 

[jigger]

That i3 8350k is going to be a hard sell against the i5 8400. What's the boost clock like on the 8400?

All of them will be a hard sell with AM4 on the market.

 

[Journey]

Is that your problem. You can't understand posts?

It was a joke, but whatever.

A price war on new products is not going to make Humbug's problem go away, or make the upgrade that much cheaper, knock £30 off the R5 1600, still has to replace his board and RAM as well, being generous that's about £220 for a decent B350 board, and 16GB DDR4 3000MHz RAM, plus CPU = £370. Or you know, as he clearly is a value for money guy, spend £70-100 all in and get another year of gaming in until Zen2 is here, and RAM prices may have actually reached a sensible level.

 

[Journey]

That i3 8350k is going to be a hard sell against the i5 8400. What's the boost clock like on the 8400?

3.8GHz on all cores, 4GHz on up to 4 cores. It's looking like a great CPU.

 

[gavinh87]

3.8GHz on all cores, 4GHz on up to 4 cores. It's looking like a great CPU.

Aye, and not gimped by ram speeds. Bet its toasty though.

 

[Doobedoo]

3.8GHz on all cores, 4GHz on up to 4 cores. It's looking like a great CPU.

That does sound good and maybe is a price point that Amd need to drop the 1600 too as on paper they will be quite similar.

 

[Journey]

Aye, and not gimped by ram speeds. Bet its toasty though.

With a rated 65w TDP, I doubt it. I'll be undervolting my sample to squeeze it into a 1U mITX chassis, with 40x40mm fans (Noctua ones ofc) I'm hoping to get it running at about 68-75c under full load using the IGPU as well. Using a similar setup now with a 7700T (35W) and that is around 55-58c, but that's with the fans on full and delided.

 

[gavinh87]

With a rated 65w TDP, I doubt it. I'll be undervolting my sample to squeeze it into a 1U mITX chassis, with 40x40mm fans (Noctua ones ofc) I'm hoping to get it running at about 68-75c under full load using the IGPU as well. Using a similar setup now with a 7700T (35W) and that is around 55-58c, but that's with the fans on full and delided.

Whats it going to be used for?

 

[AndreiD]

That anandtech article is based on the lambda pricing, anandtech is really going downhill making an article based on rumor garbage.

 

[gavinh87]

That anandtech article is based on the lambda pricing, anandtech is really going downhill making an article based on rumor garbage.

I thought that, but that article shows higher prices than lambda

 

[Journey]

Whats it going to be used for?

They are used with HDMI capture cards, for processing, and compressing video data on the fly, a great deal of the work is done on the card, but one of the customer specific applications uses CPU power like it's going out of fashion. Currently using an older generation 4770T, and I've just redesigned it for these new CPU's, have to wait for the newer chipsets to come through for most of it, but can put a Z370 in to get form factor and temps tested, and the thermal solution designed. It's all good fun, I wanted to use a AMD solution but there are no APU's yet, and I don't have room for a graphics card.

 

[Armadillo]

What's the point of the base clock? Soon as you put the cpu under load it jumps to the boost clock. It's never at the "base" clock, why aren't they just advertised with the clock speed of the boost clock?

 

[gavinh87]

They are used with HDMI capture cards, for processing, and compressing video data on the fly, a great deal of the work is done on the card, but one of the customer specific applications uses CPU power like it's going out of fashion. Currently using an older generation 4770T, and I've just redesigned it for these new CPU's, have to wait for the newer chipsets to come through for most of it, but can put a Z370 in to get form factor and temps tested, and the thermal solution designed. It's all good fun, I wanted to use a AMD solution but there are no APU's yet, and I don't have room for a graphics card.

Nice stuff.
They are dragging their heels with the zen APU's. Shame as I wanted one. Too late now, the 1700 will be going into that build instead. Annoying as now I need to add a GPU in, and a better PSU.

 

[jigger]

It was a joke, but whatever.

A price war on new products is not going to make Humbug's problem go away, or make the upgrade that much cheaper, knock £30 off the R5 1600, still has to replace his board and RAM as well, being generous that's about £220 for a decent B350 board, and 16GB DDR4 3000MHz RAM, plus CPU = £370. Or you know, as he clearly is a value for money guy, spend £70-100 all in and get another year of gaming in until Zen2 is here, and RAM prices may have actually reached a sensible level.

Well the reality is these chips aren't going to sell well as the market is so condense and you have the 1700 hovering around £250 offering a much better platform.