Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

Doogles · 20 Sep 2017 at 08:08

I've been waiting for the 8700k for some time however if these launch over £350 I'm gonna buy a R5 1600 with a cheap B350 motherboard as a stopgap.

Journey · 20 Sep 2017 at 08:15

Doogles said:
I've been waiting for the 8700k for some time however if these launch over £350 I'm gonna buy a R5 1600 with a cheap B350 motherboard as a stopgap.

Well I've got good news, and bad news for you. The bad news is that they are looking to be £360+, the good news, you are getting a new system with an actual upgrade path.

DragonQ · 20 Sep 2017 at 08:29

Journey said:
Well I've got good news, and band news for you. The bad news is that they are looking to be £360+, the good news, you are getting a new system with an actual upgrade path.

I'd really be interested to see benchmarks of the i5-8600K against the R5 1600 and R7 1700 (which one is more appropriate depends where it's priced). I imagine the choice between those will be purely down to which games you play, i.e. whether over 6 threads are more useful or higher clock speed. Ryzen has other advantages but I'm talking about pure gaming performance here.

Doogles · 20 Sep 2017 at 08:39

Journey said:
Well I've got good news, and band news for you. The bad news is that they are looking to be £360+, the good news, you are getting a new system with an actual upgrade path.

I don't buy motherboards to upgrade CPU with though, I mean if I get to keep the board for some time then maybe I should pay up for the Asus Crosshair.

Journey · 20 Sep 2017 at 08:47

Doogles said:
I don't buy motherboards to upgrade CPU with though, I mean if I get to keep the board for some time then maybe I should pay up for the Asus Crosshair.

Feel free to throw away the board, then buy another one with the same socket if you decide to go Zen2 or 3 etc. After all it is your money.

You said stop gap, motherboards add zero performance, and until DDR5 comes out what are they going to add, another m.2 socket, and an upgrade to PCI-E 4.0/5.0, of which nothing anyone has needs the extra bandwidth, unless you are doing things other than gaming that is. So yes, and upgrade path, that may allow you simply to drop in a 10 core /20 thread processor in 2019 on a 7nm+ process, that clocks to 5GHz + and outperforms the R5 1600 by 150% (guessing here obviously) with no additional expenditure to you, crazy who'd want that.

benjii · 20 Sep 2017 at 10:29

Jono8 said:
No , those prices are from a genuine uk retailer and inc VAT

Oh ok, my mistake.

SiDeards73 · 20 Sep 2017 at 10:38

Doogles said:
I've been waiting for the 8700k for some time however if these launch over £350 I'm gonna buy a R5 1600 with a cheap B350 motherboard as a stopgap.

Hilariously for the price of the 8700k once they have been scalped a bit at release, i bet you can buy an R5 1600 and a half decent X370.

Still waiting to see solid 8700K info though, i wanna see how it overclocks, how hot it gets and how it performs in single and Multithreaded games when compared against a 7700k and a 1700

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 20 Sep 2017 at 10:41

If you need the Z390 for the 8C/16T Cannonlake CPUs it means the Z370 is another short lived chipset. I think I am going to wait another year or so for Zen 2 and Cannonlake methinks!

jaffveyda · 20 Sep 2017 at 10:45

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
If you need the Z390 for the 8C/16T Cannonlake CPUs it means the Z370 is another short lived chipset. I think I am going to wait another year or so for Zen 2 and Cannonlake methinks!

This is just plain stupid, socket changes every 6 months, money grab.

SiDeards73 · 20 Sep 2017 at 10:52

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
If you need the Z390 for the 8C/16T Cannonlake CPUs it means the Z370 is another short lived chipset. I think I am going to wait another year or so for Zen 2 and Cannonlake methinks!

Kinda in the same boat and thinking the same, but got cash to burn right now, going to wait to see the 8700K, but i have a sneaky feeling i will just end up using my CH6 and Ram for an R7 1700 build for myself and buying the kids an R5 1600 build, then when Ryzen+ or Zen2 lands i can give them my R7 1700 chip and put the new chip in mine, imagine that, 2 machine upgrades where all i will do is change CPU's lol.

DragonQ · 20 Sep 2017 at 11:03

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
If you need the Z390 for the 8C/16T Cannonlake CPUs it means the Z370 is another short lived chipset. I think I am going to wait another year or so for Zen 2 and Cannonlake methinks!

Why do people still have this expectation of Cannonlake desktop parts? Coffee Lake is the desktop version of Cannonlake (the latter being a die shrink for mobile). Icelake is the next desktop part, which may well be 8c/16t but probably won't be out until 2019 (late 2018 at the earliest, IMO).

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 20 Sep 2017 at 11:34

I don't care if its called Cannonlake/Icelake/Lavalake/Ferretlake,etc - I don't want to invest in a short lived socket.

Unlike some here I keep my rigs for a while and I would rather have a chipset with some longevity - SB/IB had that in terms of production of motherboards and when my mini-ITX motherboard went kaput I could find a new replacement still.

I am not interested in a short lived socket,since if my motherboard goes I don't want to end up with a perfectly good CPU and then having to pay through the nose for a secondhand replacement.

I am quite happy to wait a year or a bit longer TBH. My IB Core i7 has lasted me this long,so I can wait a bit longer!!

humbug · 20 Sep 2017 at 11:40

Journey said:
No, why would I advised anyone to buy an 8700K unless you were twitch gaming at 1080p, even then it would more likely be an 8600K depending on how much HT helps? I was simply pointing out what would give you best value for money, since that what you seem fixed on, and even though it is a sidegrade, rather than an upgrade I thought it was a viable option since you hadn't bought a new Ryzen system yet, but maybe you are just saving up.

Oh, and when you over clock the 4590K vs the 4790K the increase in power draw is about 10-15w, so your cooling must be near it's critical limit if it couldn't manage that. Are you regularly seeing temps into the 90's?

How can it be a side-grade when even a much faster CPU has lows like this in comparison to what i'm after? the 7600K is a faster CPU that my 4690K, no? the lows are much lower on the 7600K than they are on the Ryzen 1600, no? by as much as 45% lower, no? the 1600 is almost twice as fast, is the 4790K twice as fast as its i5 counter part? no, miles away from anything like that so its nothing like as fast as the Ryzen 1600.
And look at the blue Frame Times lines of the Intel, they are a mess. that's what you want me to buy?

The the difference between the Ryzen 1600 and my 4690K is going to be even higher, no?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RMbYe4X2LI

Journey · 20 Sep 2017 at 11:49

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I don't want to invest in a short lived socket.

Yes it is interesting that they have keep the same LGA pin count, they must have a reason, I am sure the new boards with get a BIOS update for compatibility with the old CPU's. Also, socket 1150, which came out in May/June 2013, and was not surpassed until the Z170 was launched in August 2015, so a total of 26/27 months, was only outlived by 1155 by a total of 4 months, Jan '11 until May/June '13. So 1151, will technically be the longest serving socket, from Aug '15 until Aug '18 (best guess), which is 36 months. So if you are happy owner of a 6700K, and your board goes pop, chances are you'll be able to buy a cheap board for it easier than any other socket.

Doogles · 20 Sep 2017 at 11:51

Journey said:
Feel free to throw away the board, then buy another one with the same socket if you decide to go Zen2 or 3 etc. After all it is your money.

You said stop gap, motherboards add zero performance, and until DDR5 comes out what are they going to add, another m.2 socket, and an upgrade to PCI-E 4.0/5.0, of which nothing anyone has needs the extra bandwidth, unless you are doing things other than gaming that is. So yes, and upgrade path, that may allow you simply to drop in a 10 core /20 thread processor in 2019 on a 7nm+ process, that clocks to 5GHz + and outperforms the R5 1600 by 150% (guessing here obviously) with no additional expenditure to you, crazy who'd want that.

But we will never get that jump will we

Hopefully you'll quote me in 2-3 years proving me wrong

Journey · 20 Sep 2017 at 11:52

humbug said:
How can it be a side-grade when even a much faster CPU has lows like this in comparison to what i'm after?

I was referring to 4590 to 4790, but you know what avoid actually answering the question and just post random pictures from benchmarks, or you know go and buy what you keep harping on about. So read my post again, answer the questions, or don't bother responding, since you just go off on a bloody tangent everytime.

Journey · 20 Sep 2017 at 11:54

Doogles said:
But we will never get that jump will we Hopefully you'll quote me in 2-3 years proving me wrong

I'd hope adding 4 more cores and 8 more threads, and 25% extra clock speed will net you 150% based on the cores and clocks alone, not even including the IPC improvements that could be made between then an now.

humbug · 20 Sep 2017 at 11:58

Journey said:
I was referring to 4590 to 4790, but you know what avoid actually answering the question and just post random pictures from benchmarks, or you know go and buy what you keep harping on about. So read my post again, answer the questions, or don't bother responding, since you just go off on a bloody tangent everytime.

I did, for the 4790K to make sense it would have to be over 100% faster than my 4690K given the 7600K is about 45% slower than that, or to put in another way the Ryzen 1600 is about 90% faster.

You're not going to tell me the 4790K is more than twice as fast, because it isn't, i think probably the 7600K is about the same performance, so just accept what you are giving me there is not good advice.

Its just going from one out dated bottlenecked system to the same out dated bottlenecked system.

gavinh87 · 20 Sep 2017 at 12:00

humbug said:
How can it be a side-grade when even a much faster CPU has lows like this in comparison to what i'm after? the 7600K is a faster CPU that my 4690K, no? the lows are much lower on the 7600K than they are on the Ryzen 1600, no? by as much as 45% lower, no? the 1600 is almost twice as fast, is the 4790K twice as fast as its i5 counter part? no, miles away from anything like that so its nothing like as fast as the Ryzen 1600.
And look at the blue Frame Times lines of the Intel, they are a mess. that's what you want me to buy?

The the difference between the Ryzen 1600 and my 4690K is going to be even higher, no?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RMbYe4X2LI

You keep telling yourself a 1600 is faster than a 4790k lol. In gaming it's certainly not.
The issue with the i5 above is that it doesn't have enough cores and is struggling. The i7 wouldn't have this issue ( apart from crysis 3)

humbug · 20 Sep 2017 at 12:06

gavinh87 said:
You keep telling yourself a 1600 is faster than a 4790k lol. In gaming it's certainly not.
The issue with the i5 above is that it doesn't have enough cores and is struggling. The i7 wouldn't have this issue ( apart from crysis 3)

The has 1600 2 more cores and 50% more threads and 5% higher IPC.

Is the 4790K Twice as fast in demanding games as the 7600K? no, for a start its IPC is 12% lower and it clocks higher which completely negates its Hyper Threading, and it would have to be for it to make sense to me. are you going to tell me it is?