Soldato
No I don't think I did see that video, I used to like his videos but lately it all seems to be very negative.
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Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017
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No I don't think I did see that video, I used to like his videos but lately it all seems to be very negative.
Soldato
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Yup He's the biggest fan boy I've seen on youtube.
Caporegime
So why are you so terrified about him talking about multicore enhancement and wanting to bury it?? Remember he is basing what he said on all the Core i7 8700K reviews not his numbers,and the fact there is a huge variance in performance with certain benchmarks.
If you have an issue with the variance in numbers you need to complain to the reviewers,but 25% difference in a benchmark like Cinebench R15 is HUGE and well beyond what we have seen in the past where it is like 5% ~ 10% at most.
I made a review thread so people can check those numbers,but it makes me wonder how much the motherboard is affecting some of these scores,and why some reviews show very good power consumption numbers for the Coffeelake CPUs and some are showing much worse ones.
This is going to be a big issue once AMD also gets a process which can hit higher clockspeeds too.
Not even GPU boost on graphics cards showed this much variance - it was at most maybe 5% to 10% IIRC.
Most reviews ship with very high end motherboards,which I would argue most people won't be buying with their PCs,so their ideas of what any of these CPUs will be performing like out of the box is not going to be accurrate sadly.
You mean like his Vega video for example or the video he made saying AMD was screwed in the GPU market a year ago?? Its funny how when he makes any negative stuff about AMD is quietly forgotten about,but if he points out something a bit off about say Intel,he suddenly is an Intel hater,which is hilarious especially considering Intel screwed Nvidia over too. Or have you forgotten why Nvidia stopped doing CPU chipsets.
Its even more hilarious when Nvidia is cheering AMD forward on the CPU front,which means Nvidia wants AMD to do well.
Nvidia does not like Intel one bit.
Did you even remember all the mocking cartoons Nvidia did about Intel??
PMSL.
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The quality outlets will disable multicore enhancement in BIOS in their reviews, it's nothing new when it comes to Intel CPU reviews since most motherboard vendors tacked that feature on their Z chipset motherboards by default going all the way back to the Sandy Bridge (probably even earlier).
TechReport has an article where they touch on the matter here: http://techreport.com/blog/32661/just-how-hot-is-coffee-lake for those that don't want to deal with Adored's speculation and bias.
TechReport has an article where they touch on the matter here: http://techreport.com/blog/32661/just-how-hot-is-coffee-lake for those that don't want to deal with Adored's speculation and bias.
Caporegime
Its not speculation - its sad when there is one frame in his video which sums it up. These are figures from big review sites,and yet all I see is so called enthusiasts on a tech forum trying to shut down people mentioning it.
Only in some weird world do you think 25% is normal for multicore enhancement,and that is from two respected review sites,ie,Guru3D and Hardwarecanucks.
The sad thing is what you need to appreciate is what happens when AMD moves to a higher clockspeed node too,its going to happen too,and its going to be more difficult to determine what is a true number which some one on a £100 board can achieve as opposed to some £200 one.
Not even the GPU boost shows such variance,and that was more like 5% to 10% difference over time IIRC.
Soldato
My haswell xeon even has MCE but nobody was shouting about that. This is nothing new.
Also, he keeps talking about 25% when actually its 21%.
Also, he keeps talking about 25% when actually its 21%.
It was the same with the vast performance deltas in Ryzen reviews (for ex: ASUS boards have a Performance Bias option), any day now AdoredTV is going to make a video on that.... oh wait. It's just stupid speculation & click-bait to feed his mouth breathing fanbase.
TechReport tests with all of the performance biasing BIOS features disabled and the 8700K still does very well in their review: http://techreport.com/review/32642/intel-core-i7-8700k-cpu-reviewed
TechReport tests with all of the performance biasing BIOS features disabled and the 8700K still does very well in their review: http://techreport.com/review/32642/intel-core-i7-8700k-cpu-reviewed
Caporegime
Jay2cents actually talked about the Asus option at launch,yet I never heard a single one of you moan about that and calling him an AMD hater.
If anything I see so much illogical terror and anger at a bloke who just litterally quotes what other review sites are showing,so its not like he even is making up figures,and unlike some of you he actually did find the weirdness Ryzen had with Nvidia card in ROTR.
Wasn't that the same game which got a fix for the issue after he made a noise about it??
Yet some of you seem utterly scared when this chap points out such a large variance between sites - remember some here were saying the expensive motherboards really were just bling compared to cheaper ones which did the same thing. Apparently not.
Edit!!
This is the worse thing about it - Linus and Jay2cents easily dwarf most of those other review sites too,so WTF are they doing there??
If anything I see so much illogical terror and anger at a bloke who just litterally quotes what other review sites are showing,so its not like he even is making up figures,and unlike some of you he actually did find the weirdness Ryzen had with Nvidia card in ROTR.
Wasn't that the same game which got a fix for the issue after he made a noise about it??
Yet some of you seem utterly scared when this chap points out such a large variance between sites - remember some here were saying the expensive motherboards really were just bling compared to cheaper ones which did the same thing. Apparently not.
Edit!!
This is the worse thing about it - Linus and Jay2cents easily dwarf most of those other review sites too,so WTF are they doing there??
Soldato
Must be a conspiracy. Intel is paying everyone for their reviews.
MCE has been going on for years.
Caporegime
Now,it becomes much clearer why the Core i5 8400 is actually much closer than it should be the Core i5 8600K in certain reviews - the multicore enhancement must be switched off,or does not work very well. It also explains why the Core i5 8600K is matching or even beating the Core i7 8700k in some reviews,ie,the multicore enhancement is pushing the Core i5 past the Core i7 and the latter is probably throttling. Some here were perplexed at the results,and I think a suggestion was made on forums SMT might be the reason,which I somewhat doubt for such a well characterised core.
@CAT-THE-FIFTH I'm not sure why you feel the need to litter this thread with defending AdoredTV, a questionable youtuber with questinable credibility.
MCE has been a thing for a long period of time too. Even without MCE the i5 8400's performance is excellent for its price point. I'm not sure why you're getting so agitated that you need to post several essays.
MCE has been a thing for a long period of time too. Even without MCE the i5 8400's performance is excellent for its price point. I'm not sure why you're getting so agitated that you need to post several essays.
Caporegime
Thats the point - I am not defending him,when on this same forum he posted in a thread where I said I did not agree with him,but you seem to have some issue with him.
He seems to scare both of you since if he was of no consequence you would just ignore the videos,but I always notice its like a random charge everytime his name is mentioned.
Its cute you have some hatred of a random Youtuber - surely you can post on his videos,or even mail him why you hate him. I believe he has an account here - I am sure you can mail him.
I am not so sure why you and Gavin seem agitated you seem to be posting several posts trying to bury any discussion of this.
Now its not a conspiracy - its you trying your best to bury anything and then attacking people so you can bury it more.
Why are you so scared if people talk about MCE?? You call yourself enthusiasts - at the very least people should be making lists of what motherboards can implement it better than others,and that is a feature on its own right.
If a £150 Asus board can run MCE better than a £150 Gigabyte that means not to offend both of you we should all keep quiet so you can feel better ?? LMAO.
Soldato
I'm far from agitated lol, this is not a new issue. My old budget h series asus board that my haswell is running on has this feature.
I believe I can call myself an enthusiast, unlike most people on here I actually own the products I speak about.
I believe I can call myself an enthusiast, unlike most people on here I actually own the products I speak about.
The only one agitated in here and posting essays is you @CAT-THE-FIFTH
People aren't scared of talking about MCE, it's a non issue since we've know about its functionality for the past 6~7 years? It's news now ... because? All vendors offer some kind of MCE functionality, they all work similarly by pushing the CPU's base frequency to the max turbo or close to it.
Though maybe on his next video Adored could pick a topic that's not from a decade ago.
People aren't scared of talking about MCE, it's a non issue since we've know about its functionality for the past 6~7 years? It's news now ... because? All vendors offer some kind of MCE functionality, they all work similarly by pushing the CPU's base frequency to the max turbo or close to it.
Though maybe on his next video Adored could pick a topic that's not from a decade ago.
Caporegime
The only one is agitated is people like you and Gavin - the moment the video was posted you just started getting annoyed and trying to attack the person in the video.
Yet I never saw you attacking Jay2cents when he basically pointed out the Ryzen scores could be increased by a certain mode in Asus boards.
When I actually showed a 25% variance in scores,you then started attacking me. You are agitated especially since the scores are generated by "trusted" review sites. The funny thing is that MCE wasn't producing like a 25% increase in scores in applications ,the variance was lower. Only in your world do you think a 25% variation in reviews would be normal.
The thing is for so called enthusiasts you seem scared to even talk about it - I am a person who does not overclock as I build SFF systems,so if actually a slightly more expensive motherboard would do that for me,I won't have any issue paying a bit extra for it.
So,please tell me now as enthusiasts what motherboards are good at MCE and what ones suck at it??
Surely if it is normal to get 25% free performance,we should be ignoring whole lines of boards then. People will buy a new CPU for a similar gain,like those moving from a Ryzen to a Coffeelake CPU.
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So where were you "experts" when people were saying there was no real need for expensive motherboards with Coffeelake or Ryzen?? Surely if you admit 20~25% is normal then that pretty much screams investing in a more expensive board is actually not a waste of money??
Both of you were magically absent when we had that discussion.
Soldato
How you think someone can be scared to talk about a motherboard feature is concerning.
Also, its 21% not 25% as he kept calling it.
My asus board has MCE enabled by default AFAIK, I cannot speak for other boards. I'd like to think that people that are building there own systems are capable of reading product reviews before they make a purchase.
Have we seen a board that doesn't have the option to enable MCE? If not then whats the deal?
We have reviews from quality outlets like PCPer & TechReport, which don't use MCE:
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Proce...y-Intel-Core-i7-8700K-and-Core-i5-8400-Review
http://techreport.com/review/32642/intel-core-i7-8700k-cpu-reviewed
The PCPer one includes an i5 8400 and it still looks quite excellent value wise: https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Proce...K-and-Core-i5-8400-Review/Perf-Dollar-Pricing
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Proce...y-Intel-Core-i7-8700K-and-Core-i5-8400-Review
http://techreport.com/review/32642/intel-core-i7-8700k-cpu-reviewed
The PCPer one includes an i5 8400 and it still looks quite excellent value wise: https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Proce...K-and-Core-i5-8400-Review/Perf-Dollar-Pricing
Caporegime
Its not the point,then since you are an "expert" please list all the motherboards which have very well implemented MCE??
Remember earlier on here I was worried about price creep in motherboards and most people said it was not really any concern,since a cheap motherboard would more or less to the same as an expensive one,so I ran with that.
Now,it seems some motherboards implement it much better,and from the last time I checked it seems even more of an effect than say when it was introduced a few years ago.
If MCE can produce such a big performance bump,then surely a few quid extra on a better motherboard makes more sense now.
Also,BTW I have a motherboard with MCE(IB one) and it never showed anything near 25% improvements. Not even my mate with a SKL Core i7 saw such a huge improvement. Its more like 5% to 10% from what we saw.
I think you missed the message about me not getting Ryzen due to meh FO4 performance,which I have been repeating since the Ryzen launch,to the chagrin of some. I have no interest in a Ryzen 5 1600 and I am not sure why you seem to keep wanting to repeat what I said multiple times before CL was launched - the Core i5 8400 was going to be a good gaming chip for most people.
Plus I doubt the Core i5 8400 will be that much effected due to the locked multiplier,but again I think I need to start rechecking reviews.
Soldato
I'm an enthusiast not an expert and I have no concern with mce since I'll be using k chips and overclocking manually.
The people that ARE concerned with mce should do their checking. Personally I couldn't give a monkey's.
The people that ARE concerned with mce should do their checking. Personally I couldn't give a monkey's.