Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

GAC · 29 Jun 2017 at 10:54

Simon Belmont said:
I hope this news is wrong? Don't want to wait until nov

with the lack of any news from intel its looking more and more like august is a busted flush to me. would have expected something public just to help off set people buying ryzen who would rather buy intel, even if it was a confirmation coffee lake hits october or november just so people know and can wait for it knowing its coming.

Simon Belmont · 29 Jun 2017 at 10:57

GAC said:
with the lack of any news from intel its looking more and more like august is a busted flush to me. would have expected something public just to help off set people buying ryzen who would rather buy intel, even if it was a confirmation coffee lake hits october or november just so people know and can wait for it knowing its coming.

Yes, Intel is making one mistake after another. Looking into Ryzen or Threadripper now. Don't think I'm going to wait. Growing tired of Intel's Indecisiveness :mad:

TheF34RChannel · 29 Jun 2017 at 15:22

- Usually there isn't much official news from Intel itself until much, much closer to the launch;

- Platform launches are not intertwined with indecisiveness; they encompass far more intelligible factors than that;

- There're no mistakes here, at least what you are referring to [Simon] are not mistakes. Wait for CFL whatever the release window is as you'll be disappointed by the competition (and you'll be a Ryzen/TR beta tester like the rest of them, unless that's your thing? (AMD army; stay away from this independent observation as I will not engage));

- I would dislike waiting until fall/winter, as in really strongly dislike, but I can if need be. It will be worth my while!

BriT · 29 Jun 2017 at 15:36

Going from 4770K to Ryzen is pretty pointless if all you do is game, as i do. Just want a CPU that performs better in games. Too much to ask? lol

TheF34RChannel · 29 Jun 2017 at 15:45

BriT said:
Going from 4770K to Ryzen is pretty pointless if all you do is game, as i do. Just want a CPU that performs better in games. Too much to ask? lol

Yes, way too much to ask. Bad BriT!

I still advocate Coffee Lake-S for your purpose (it being same as mine and I've put extensive thought in this so this is coming from a decent place): you get Intel's 6C/12T + high all-core frequency + a very nice IPC = the best of all worlds.

DragonQ · 29 Jun 2017 at 15:45

BriT said:
Going from 4770K to Ryzen is pretty pointless if all you do is game, as i do. Just want a CPU that performs better in games. Too much to ask? lol

For what purpose? If your current CPU doesn't bottleneck your GPU most of the time then you're golden.

I doubt there's any point in any 1080p gamer upgrading from Haswell Core i7 onwards right now, and probably Sandy Bridge Core i7 onwards for 1440p or higher. Core i5 is a different matter though, there are more and more games that benefit from SMT with 4 cores.

Simon Belmont · 29 Jun 2017 at 16:17

TheF34RChannel said:
- Usually there isn't much official news from Intel itself until much, much closer to the launch;

- Platform launches are not intertwined with indecisiveness; they encompass far more intelligible factors than that;

- There're no mistakes here, at least what you are referring to [Simon] are not mistakes. Wait for CFL whatever the release window is as you'll be disappointed by the competition (and you'll be a Ryzen/TR beta tester like the rest of them, unless that's your thing? (AMD army; stay away from this independent observation as I will not engage));

- I would dislike waiting until fall/winter, as in really strongly dislike, but I can if need be. It will be worth my while!

I'm not very good at waiting on PC tech. I'm horrible at waiting when it comes to technology

TheF34RChannel · 29 Jun 2017 at 16:21

Simon Belmont said:
I'm not very good at waiting on PC tech. I'm horrible at waiting when it comes to technology

Sounds like the perfect opportunity to address that and try it out

It will be worth your while...

Chuk_Chuk · 29 Jun 2017 at 17:23

TheF34RChannel said:
- There're no mistakes here, at least what you are referring to [Simon] are not mistakes. Wait for CFL whatever the release window is as you'll be disappointed by the competition (and you'll be a Ryzen/TR beta tester like the rest of them, unless that's your thing? (AMD army; stay away from this independent observation as I will not engage));

That's partially deceptive because he will still be a beta tester if he goes with Intel, especially mainstream Intel.

Doobedoo · 29 Jun 2017 at 17:32

Chuk_Chuk said:
That's partially deceptive because he will still be a beta tester if he goes with Intel, especially mainstream Intel.

Not quite true as coffee lake is just another re-hash +2 cores with minor tweaks, so in theory they shouldn't have many issues as they are on the 8th generation as opposed to Ryzen which is 1st generation.

It will much fairer if they judge Zen 2 because again in theory amd should close the gap massively especially ghz and ipc

Chuk_Chuk · 29 Jun 2017 at 17:46

Doobedoo said:
Not quite true as coffee lake is just another re-hash +2 cores with minor tweaks, so in theory they shouldn't have many issues as they are on the 8th generation as opposed to Ryzen which is 1st generation.

It will much fairer if they judge Zen 2 because again in theory amd should close the gap massively especially ghz and ipc

A beta test is not defined by the number of problems you have. A beta test is a period of of time to find any issues that may/will exist. Mainstream intel is a beta test for HEDT and HEDT is a beta test for servers (as far as i am aware).

If you buy any product within the first few months to years (depending on the life cycle) of release you are a beta tester for the company. If you are actually interested in the best stability you buy the previous generation or at the end of the product life cycle.

Doobedoo · 29 Jun 2017 at 17:54

Not so much doubting what your saying I'm just making the point that they have had many years of testing and tweaking to get to the stage they are now. Their will always be unforeseen issues and regarding cpu's the majority come from people pushing them harder than they were designed to.

I'm not much of an early adopter, never have been.

Chuk_Chuk · 29 Jun 2017 at 18:15

Doobedoo said:
Not so much doubting what your saying I'm just making the point that they have had many years of testing and tweaking to get to the stage they are now. Their will always be unforeseen issues and regarding cpu's the majority come from people pushing them harder than they were designed to.

I'm not much of an early adopter, never have been.

What you say is correct.

There is one thing I would be interested in is the priority of MB vendors. Considering that MB manufacturers have probably slimmed down their workforce since Bulldozer, with AMD return how will they handle having to design more MB than what they have had to do for the past 5 odd years. Depending on where their priorities are we may see an usually high number of problems with MB on launch.

zornyan · 29 Jun 2017 at 18:25

Chuk_Chuk said:
What you say is correct.

There is one thing I would be interested in is the priority of MB vendors. Considering that MB manufacturers have probably slimmed down their workforce since Bulldozer, with AMD return how will they handle having to design more MB than what they have had to do for the past 5 odd years. Depending on where their priorities are we may see an usually high number of problems with MB on launch.

atm they seem to be rehashing every board.

look at z170vs z270, most of the boards have a few differences.

now look at asus strix x370, b350, z270, x299

all identical....

asus crosshair identical to z270 hero.

etc etc.

they're not even making boards unique anymore.

Doobedoo · 29 Jun 2017 at 18:27

Well so far I'm very disappointed with the range you get with Amd as opposed to Intel. 3-4 months and still little in the way of itx for ryzen, not good enough and shoddy workmanship for very expensive boards is not good enough.

Hard to feel sorry for those buying them though. Solution, stop buying mb with flashy lights and stupid gimmicks and they will stop making them, instead let them know that for premium products you want premium quality. Flashy lights should be separate from enthusiast boards.

zornyan · 29 Jun 2017 at 18:31

Doobedoo said:
Well so far I'm very disappointed with the range you get with Amd as opposed to Intel. 3-4 months and still little in the way of itx for ryzen, not good enough and shoddy workmanship for very expensive boards is not good enough.

Hard to feel sorry for those buying them though. Solution, stop buying mb with flashy lights and stupid gimmicks and they will stop making them, instead let them know that for premium products you want premium quality. Flashy lights should be separate from enthusiast boards.

I don't get why they think sticking PLASTIC ontop of bloody heatsinks is a good idea....seriously are they just hiring 12 year olds these days?

Doobedoo · 29 Jun 2017 at 18:36

No idea you would have to think that it's an isolated incident as it wasn't a problem for Ryzen or kabylake ect.

You would assume that they tested them and deemed them acceptable. So if it's not a design flaw which you would have to assume it isn't then maybe it's a faulty batch or something as they really ought to know better.

Ek may do well out of this though with their full cover waterblocks

zornyan · 29 Jun 2017 at 18:46

Doobedoo said:
No idea you would have to think that it's an isolated incident as it wasn't a problem for Ryzen or kabylake ect.

You would assume that they tested them and deemed them acceptable. So if it's not a design flaw which you would have to assume it isn't then maybe it's a faulty batch or something as they really ought to know better.

Ek may do well out of this though with their full cover waterblocks

possible fault mosfets? aren't they ALL using ir3355 or whatever the code is?

weird how the asus strix with only 8 (of the same phases) vs 10/12 of the other vendors is only hitting 60c max on the fets with the 7900x at 4.7ghz.

Simon Belmont · 29 Jun 2017 at 18:47

Doobedoo said:
Well so far I'm very disappointed with the range you get with Amd as opposed to Intel. 3-4 months and still little in the way of itx for ryzen,

Gigabyte Itx ryzen coming in 2 weeks I hear

Doobedoo · 29 Jun 2017 at 18:48

Thinking about it logically though. They did have issues with Kabylake overheating, enough for Intel to release their do not overclock statement and many needing to delid.

Now I am not in the know, neither have I done any testing but if people are trying to get Kabylake levels of overclocking with a chip that has 100-150% more cores, then it's kinda feasible that they are going to run into issues. As far as I'm aware they haven't increased efficiency by anything substantial.

We will have to wait an see I suppose but they did have many issues with x99, so perhaps it's to be expected and maybe it will improve over time.