Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

[chanjy]

Hmm Intel have really not got their chipset strategy sorted out.

It was ok for the old tick-tock where one chipset lasted for one (two year) fab process but 14mm has been around for ages and Z170/270 are interchangeable as expected, but as we are still using the same process you would expect Coffee Lake to be compatible with the rest.

 

[Jono8]

Runs as in "I can game and bench on it" or run as in "passes 400% full coverage HCIMemtest" run? Because my threadripper will game and bench at 3600 but will only pass memtest at 3466.

I have a feeling (judging by gavins past posts) that he has quite a high threshold for ram stability.

This is the trouble with ram speeds. From experience, heavily overclocked ram (by that I mean beyond what the cpu is rated for to use) is just a massive pain the ass, especially if you have lots of it/lots of dimms

 

[Brazo]

Yes. 8xxx is Z370 only. And in 7 months CannonLake is Z390 only.

Hmm calculated cannonlake upgrade it is....

 

[Brazo]

This is the trouble with ram speeds. From experience, heavily overclocked ram (by that I mean beyond what the cpu is rated for to use) is just a massive pain the ass, especially if you have lots of it/lots of dimms

I agree.

It's probably more representative to bench games at diffferent ram speeds, say base ddr4 at 2400 and 2800, 3200 etc as the requirements for some cpus are so high and niche that barely a handful of people will have that setup.

 

[Panos]

Hmm calculated cannonlake upgrade it is....

Actually the more someone things about options and future, comes to conclusion either should settle for AMD or Intel X299 platform. If there is need to stay on budget and not spending £250 on motherboard every 7-9 months. And on that, could get the a delided 7820X, overclock it and pair it with 4233 ram and a good board. Might not need upgrade for quite some time.
And could always upgrade to CoffeeLake-X without changing anything but the CPU.

Same applies to AMD and Zen/Zen+.

 

[Brazo]

Actually the more someone things about options and future, comes to conclusion either should settle for AMD or Intel X299 platform. If there is need to stay on budget and not spending £250 on motherboard every 7-9 months. And on that, could get the a delided 7820X, overclock it and pair it with 4233 ram and a good board. Might not need upgrade for quite some time.
And could always upgrade to CoffeeLake-X without changing anything but the CPU.

Same applies to AMD and Zen/Zen+.

Yes I agree

Although even an x99 board and a 5820k would see me fine for years.

TBH there's nothing my 7700k can't munch through at 4.5ghz so a delid and oc to 5ghz (which it can do bar the temps) should see me fine.

 

[humbug]

The difference is Zen+ and Zen2 will run on existing AM4 boards.

There is always something new just around the corner..... especially from Intel who change the CPU and sockets every full moon to keep you buying more and more and more..... of their stuff, doesn't actually mean any of Intel's new stuff is any better than the old, often its not and sometimes worse.

They just rename the old stuff with a clock bump and cheap out even more on the Guano paste under the HS.

 

[DragonQ]

Hmm calculated cannonlake upgrade it is....

There is no evidence whatsoever that Cannonlake is even going to be released on desktop. I imagine it won't be, otherwise there's not really a reason for Coffee Lake to exist.

 

[Panos]

There is no evidence whatsoever that Cannonlake is even going to be released on desktop. I imagine it won't be, otherwise there's not really a reason for Coffee Lake to exist.

Actually if we take from Intel's recent products, many of them have no reason to exist. Like the KabylakeX (7640X, 7740X) and the SkylakeX 7800X
(yes that's as pointless as the 4 cores this time of year).
And might also add the Intel Optane, if someone doesn't have HDDs using as primary drives.

 

[smilingcrow]

Actually if we take from Intel's recent products, many of them have no reason to exist.
And might also add the Intel Optane, if someone doesn't have HDDs using as primary drives.

Optane would be okay as a cheap small cache for a HDD if the price wasn't so ridiculously high.
But right now it's high end, high performance server storage and fills a good niche at a high price so why they also released it as a cache for laptops mainly is beyond me.
It's great tech as performance is good even at low queue depths unlike NAND SSDs so more useful for home users.
A pointer to the future.

 

[Sampsy]

Actually if we take from Intel's recent products, many of them have no reason to exist. Like the KabylakeX (7640X, 7740X) and the SkylakeX 7800X
(yes that's as pointless as the 4 cores this time of year).
And might also add the Intel Optane, if someone doesn't have HDDs using as primary drives.

Cannonlake has been penned in as mobile only for a looong time now. Icelake is the next desktop architecture.

 

[chanjy]

^^ Just like Broadwell

 

[Journey]

^^ Just like Broadwell

There were a few Broadwell desktop sku's they had a different type of GPU configuration, with different cache/memory structure. Built a few machines with the 5775c, it was ok.

 

[AthlonXP1800]

Hmmm found a picture from anandtech forum:

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...s-out-page-554.2428363/page-616#post-39061469

Look like 8700K finally got a launch date 5 October 2017, £268.43 exc VAT = £322.11 inc VAT.

 

[Journey]

Look like 8700K finally got a launch date 5 October 2017, £268.43 exc VAT = £322.11 inc VAT.

That's in € so with conversion is about £335, so expect it to be £350.

 

[AthlonXP1800]

That's in € and includes VAT, so with conversion is about £335, so expect it to be £350.

€? Really? I didn't see any mentioned of it. Well I bet that inventory screen are leaked by someone worked for a UK retailer, all I see is UK GBP at top left corner, 268.43 GBP and CURR: USD.

 

[Journey]

€? Really? I didn't see any mentioned of it. Well I bet that inventory screen are leaked by someone worked for a UK retailer, all I see is UK GBP at top left corner, 268.43 GBP and CURR: USD.

The guy in the post on the forums even quotes it as €, alongside the 7700K which they currently sell for €11 less. Unless we are both looking at different things, but I followed you link.

I see you were looking at the screen grab from the stock inventory system from the distributor, which is net price to them, not the retail with margin. So it will be at least £350, and more depending if any gouging happens in the first couple of weeks.

 

[Dave2150]

Not excited in the least from a gaming point of view, this is simply a 6700k with 2 more cores that will do mostly nothing in games. Still the same Skylake architecture that launched over 2 years ago.

The next CPU I'm excited about is Icelake - the next new architecture after Skylake. Will keep my 6700k until then

 

[Rainmaker]

The screenshot says GBP at the top right (next to the blanked out price), but at the bottom it says CURR:USD. Either way, neither of those is Euro? Also, 268.43 could be before retailer profit as well as before VAT.

 

[benjii]

Not excited in the least from a gaming point of view, this is simply a 6700k with 2 more cores that will do mostly nothing in games. Still the same Skylake architecture that launched over 2 years ago.

The next CPU I'm excited about is Icelake - the next new architecture after Skylake. Will keep my 6700k until then

That was my earlier point. It's a 50% performance boost over a 7700k with 50% more cores. That means per core, it's exactly the same. Unless you're running something that will utilise the extra 2 cores, then you won't notice a difference.