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Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

Katanga said:
LOL. I hear what you are saying, jigger, IMHO Intel are lazy, or like to drip feed, no doubt and I'm glad they are kick int Intel up the proverbial to jog them along a bit more, they had it too good for too long.

What I meant was more fresh new tech for Motherboards, MSI, Abit ETC whom feed of Intel ... because that's part of the upgrade fun too for most enthusiasts, also old motherboards experience wear and tear too, who really wants to stick a new gen CPU (no matter its good or bad increase clock speed wise and IPC increase) into an old motherboard that is out of warranty, on its last legs or could develop new problems at any moment, especially from overclockers ... lets face it, motherboards are disposable items these days, just a canvas for new CPU's :)

To me, sticking a new CPU into a 4 year old socket for longevity of motherboard is false economy, gaps like that you are bound to be losing out on new tech that comes along, not just new tech but upgraded standards like we see with SATA, USB RAM slots and more we might not know about, no thanks ... new CPU means new motherboard for me too.

No dis-respect to those on a budget and need to do this, but I prefer new as long as I can.
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I'm on Z170 now but there is nothing that matters to me feature wise that my newer board does that I couldn't do on my Z77 (Only reason I upgraded was to go ITX) let alone Z87 or Z97. Sata revisions don't make a real difference, for most users once you have an SSD with good 4K reads your pretty much sorted. 4 ram slots is enough....(I supspect you meant ddr3->ddr4 :D) Z77 had USB3. Manynew boards don't even come with USB C so that's hardly a possible plus. Not to mention that you could still upgrade to a new board with the new features as and when, or even if, they are even needed.
 
This thread is a waste of space, have tried to be reasonable here, but it seems like a GD version of CPU chat and what we really need is a Speakers Corner version, where the Cheerleader AMD vs Intel Crowd (or vs versa) are told to ... GTF!

I want to hear facts on a forum like this about a new CPU, not Intel vs AMD fanboys fighting it out, can someone please moderate this stuff? Its so hard to wade through the good or maybe bad facts without the fan boys of the other side invading too.

PLEASE, this is just a complete mess here and helps no future purchases on any side, for the wider community that are read Google only, AMD or Intel.
 
Katanga said:
I want to hear facts on a forum like this about a new CPU
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Well, there is your problem. This thread was started largely before there were any real facts, and there is not a great deal to discuss until they are launched, other than rumours and leaks, which may or may not be true.

If you want facts, and that is all, use Intel ARK and Wikipedia, but for once in 10 years there are two competitors gunning for your pounds, so without back and forth discussion how can you make an informed decision. There will always be banter, and I'd imagine it will continue, so I suggest you start a thread if you a looking for information, clearly stating what you don't want to hear, then it can be moderated. :)
 
Doobedoo said:
If you want facts and stats then you maybe want to widen your search https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cp...als_their_8th_generation_of_core_processors/1

This is a Forum where we share experiences and opinions all in good nature for the most part.

If you want an answer then ask a question if you want to justify a future purchase then that's a different matter all together.
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Actually, No, this is a sub thread of a forum that deals in particular subjects as this sub forum header suggests, with ... as the below title suggests " But whatever, it seems more like a teenage AMD vs Intel fight thread to me and this is helping nobody as the launch is about to come up.

I did ask questions and even speculate if you care to look back, but whatever, must be more mature CPU forums on the internet than this? And please dont confuse my low post count with poor CPU experience, I've been around since 286 and onwards.

This thread was supposed to be about ...

Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017
 
Katanga said:
This thread is a waste of space, have tried to be reasonable here, but it seems like a GD version of CPU chat and what we really need is a Speakers Corner version, where the Cheerleader AMD vs Intel Crowd (or vs versa) are told to ... GTF!

I want to hear facts on a forum like this about a new CPU, not Intel vs AMD fanboys fighting it out, can someone please moderate this stuff? Its so hard to wade through the good or maybe bad facts without the fan boys of the other side invading too.

PLEASE, this is just a complete mess here and helps no future purchases on any side, for the wider community that are read Google only, AMD or Intel.
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OK to put it in perspective.
If you manage to OC the 8700K at 5Ghz+ going to be a good CPU, better than the 5820 @ 4.5/6800K @4.3 when comes to grunt power.
8700K @ 5Ghz going to be aaround 10% slower than a 6950X @ 4.4Ghz in multithread metrics.
But to achieve that you forfeit warranty as it would require deliding, and a good motherboard with plenty of power. As it is going to burn 50%-55% more power than the 7700K.

None of the existing games require optimisations, as is using old Ring topology.

Z370 platform is is just a tweaked Z170/Z270 nothing major. Hell there is even the rumour 6700K and 7700K can run fine on the Z370.
However in 12 months time Z390 with 10nm Icelake going to replace it, so is dead end.

So if you want Intel, X299 platform makes more sense for the long run as it will support CoffeeLakeX also. And to get more from the X299 platform, you need 4000mhz + ram as the Mesh is working around that speed.

Otherwise AMD platforms both on X399 and X370 make sense, since they will support the next 3 CPUs generations for them. Zen+ with higher clocks and IPC (early 2018), Zen2 and Zen3 the 7nm CPUs later in 2018
(no 10nm for AMD straight to 7nm)
AGESA 1007 is coming out soon, that might allow on some boards to use 4000Mhz ram, something that is there since AGESA 1006 but.....
And as platform isn't as strict when comes to PCI-e lanes etc.
 
Journey said:
Well, there is your problem. This thread was started largely before there were any real facts, and there is not a great deal to discuss until they are launched, other than rumours and leaks, which may or may not be true.

If you want facts, and that is all, use Intel ARK and Wikipedia, but for once in 10 years there are two competitors gunning for your pounds, so without back and forth discussion how can you make an informed decision. There will always be banter, and I'd imagine it will continue, so I suggest you start a thread if you a looking for information, clearly stating what you don't want to hear, then it can be moderated. :)
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I concede to this :)

Yes, facts on the 8700 are what I'm waiting for, but OMG, the fan boy mess here of AMD fans vs Intel fans, its just silly, it makes it harder for folk like me to actually find the stuff I need to research first n need not want :)

I'll wait until the 8700 is released and not get involved in this mess any-more :)

Have at it guys, looks like the AMD fan boys are winning if such things are important, when do the intel crowd counter strike with better post's, LOL :)

Seriously, have more or less decided on an 8700K, own already a 7700K @4.8GHz for what i do, 6800K @ 4.4GHz, 5820 @ 4.4GHz ... fried a 5960X eight core and awaiting Intel replacement very soon I hope.

Six core is my sweet spot and if i can get that same or near 7700K clocks, I'll be one happy bunny.

Thanks and have fun in your arguments here, I'm focused in what I need :)
 
Katanga said:
I concede to this :)

Yes, facts on the 8700 are what I'm waiting for, but OMG, the fan boy mess here of AMD fans vs Intel fans, its just silly, it makes it harder for folk like me to actually find the stuff I need to research first n need not want :)

I'll wait until the 8700 is released and not get involved in this mess any-more :)

Have at it guys, looks like the AMD fan boys are winning if such things are important, when do the intel crowd counter strike with better post's, LOL :)

Seriously, have more or less decided on an 8700K, own already a 7700K @4.8GHz for what i do, 6800K @ 4.4GHz, 5820 @ 4.4GHz ... fried a 5960X eight core and awaiting Intel replacement very soon I hope.

Six core is my sweet spot and if i can get that same or near 7700K clocks, I'll be one happy bunny.

Thanks and have fun in your arguments here, I'm focused in what I need :)
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That just looks like you've already decided and are looking others to pat you on the head for it.

Its not that difficult, the 8700K is a 7700K with 2 extra cores, its not going to make a lot of difference in games to the 7700K which you already have, it will make a significant difference to productivity work and such, but then so will a Ryzen 1600 which cost now about £200 less than the 8700K will cost.
 
humbug said:
That just looks like you've already decided and are looking others to pat you on the head for it.

Its not that difficult, the 8700K is a 7700K with 2 extra cores, its not going to make a lot of difference in games to the 7700K which you already have, it will make a significant difference to productivity work and such, but then so will a Ryzen 1600 which cost now about £200 less than the 8700K will cost.
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No, you muppet, please read again ... I've decided on my usage hobby that you know sweet nothing about, so please stop the assumptions.

I'll drop the sarcasm if you can, stop the teenage pat on back posts please ... I'm here to actually discuss why I want/need Coffee lake high clock 6 core.

I work and play in high end Flight sim and have done for decades .. like to game sure, thats fine, but many studys of MS based flight sim show High clock speed is king, however .. Lockheed Martin have their own version of sim now, 64 bit too.

Its proven in MANY P3Dv4 64 bit version examples that we still need more CPU power and yes 6 core is best here.

Its not all about generic gaming
 
Katanga said:
No, you muppet, please read again ... I've decided on my usage hobby that you know sweet nothing about, so please stop the assumptions.

I'll drop the sarcasm if you can, stop the teenage pat on back posts please ... I'm here to actually discuss why I want/need Coffee lake high clock 6 core.

I work and play in high end Flight sim and have done for decades .. like to game sure, thats fine, but many studys of MS based flight sim show High clock speed is king, however .. Lockheed Martin have their own version of sim now, 64 bit too.

Its proven in MANY P3Dv4 64 bit version examples that we still need more CPU power and yes 6 core is best here.

Its not all about generic gaming
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I doubt you will get 5Ghz 8700K's easily, no matter what anyone says even the 7700K more often than not needs its Heat Spreader pulled off and some serious cooling to get to run stable at 5Ghz, adding 50% more cores just makes it that much more difficult.

Its either 6 cores or high Mhz, i don't think you can have both.

Some of the X299 chips run at 4.8Ghz but then only if you are normalising 90c + temperatures, in the same way AMD tried to normalise 90c + temps with the reference 290X, i had one of those for a while, you could literally smell the heat, it smelled like hot metal.
Nope!
 
Katanga said:
I concede to this :)

Yes, facts on the 8700 are what I'm waiting for, but OMG, the fan boy mess here of AMD fans vs Intel fans, its just silly, it makes it harder for folk like me to actually find the stuff I need to research first n need not want :)

I'll wait until the 8700 is released and not get involved in this mess any-more :)
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It's always been a fanboy mess here. That's why I don't bother.

Do what I'm doing and wait for CPU release then come back.
 
humbug said:
I doubt you will get 5Ghz 8700K's easily, no matter what anyone says even the 7700K more often than not needs its Heat Spreader pulled off and some serious cooling to get to run stable at 5Ghz, adding 50% more cores just makes it that much more difficult.

Its either 6 cores or high Mhz, i don't think you can have both.

Some of the X299 chips run at 4.8Ghz but then only if you are normalising 90c + temperatures, in the same way AMD tried to normalise 90c + temps with the reference 290X, i had one of those for a while, you could literally smell the heat, it smelled like hot metal.
Nope!
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I hear what you are saying mate, but honestly been doing exhaustive tests away from here with more serious dedicated flight sim enthusiasts, the consensus is, the new Lockheed Martin version of FSX called P3Dv4 64 bit optimised can indeed use up to six core now (perhaps more) but still likes raw grunt CPU speed too ... in no way shape or form am i your average gamer ... I'm very focused in what I need for my obsessive flight sim hobby.

My current 7800 runs at 4.8 GHz all day long if I want, its honestly never skipped a beat or thrown a blue screen hissy fit at me, often tempted to push it to 5 Ghz, it will do it, but it might be the straw that breaks the camels back, its one speedy CPU though ... but i need two more cores for what i do ... I'm not greedy, i dont want these X99 gazillion core low clock monstrosity's, thats not for me at all :)

Give me an 8700 six core that does at least 4.6Ghz (wee bit more is better) all day long and I'll be happy ... thats not to much to ask, is it, I really can use those extra 2 cores.
 
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